normally I am besides myself after a loss, but not today

[swish7]

I am certainly not happy. Sorta ambivalent. It's quite a different feeling from the Louisville loss. I want to see the Marrone experiment work. I like certainty, and this win confirmed for me that until further notice, and contradictory to the opines of my many posters here, the Marrone thing is certainly an experiment.

I guess I feel this way because as someone who has been downsized a few times in my career, P getting this win, is what I would want to see myself do against one of my former company's if I ever came up against them. Plus it is P, who was a Syracuse legend, and is a good man.

I've seen this a few times in business, the old CEO (P) gets run off and ridiculed. The new CEO (G) comes aboard and says all the right things. People fall all over themselves declaring the tides turned, before the guy has even coached a game or laid out a business strategy. Then he fails, and the cycle repeats. It's too bad the P thing ever had to fail. SU didn't invest enough, he was too stubborn/loyal to failing coaches, and the Vick/Nunes switcheroo was really the perfect storm. Couldn't get much worse.

 

[cusefanpa]

The effort today wasn't good. Bad Offense first half, Bad Defense second, Bad specials all day. The Big East is a bunch of relatively even teams without one dominant team (maybe Cinci)? I think it is going to take a lot of time for this team to get to the next level. It is one thing to go from awful to mediocre, another to go from mediocre to good. We are not awful anymore, no matter how many on the board act. But going from mediocre to good is much harder and will likely take longer.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Marrone and this staff officially lost me today and last week. I have seen enough to know he isn't a very good oc, game coach or recuiter. I am 100% off the bandwagon and essentially expect to lose versus any bcs opponent at this point.. its ashame we can't attract a higher caliber of coach, people can pile on me all they want but Marrone will never turn this program into anything but a bottom to middle of the pack acc team. Uconn isn't a goid team but they are better than us. The last two hires continue to set us back. Sure doug is better than grob, but are we seriously still debating that, year 3 people, year 3. Jergens be damned

 

[orangecuse]

The effort today wasn't good. Bad Offense first half, Bad Defense second, Bad specials all day. The Big East is a bunch of relatively even teams without one dominant team (maybe Cinci)? I think it is going to take a lot of time for this team to get to the next level. It is one thing to go from awful to mediocre, another to go from mediocre to good. We are not awful anymore, no matter how many on the board act. But going from mediocre to good is much harder and will likely take longer.

Well, it depends how one wants to define awful. All I know is that we were awful last week and just as awful this week, especially in the first half. What makes it even more awful is that we lost to a very awful team. So, I think that makes us pretty awful...at least in the here and now...

 

[DocFlanders]

Marrone and this staff officially lost me today and last week. I have seen enough to know he isn't a very good oc, game coach or recuiter. I am 100% off the bandwagon and essentially expect to lose versus any bcs opponent at this point.. its ashame we can't attract a higher caliber of coach, people can pile on me all they want but Marrone will never turn this program into anything but a bottom to middle of the pack acc team. Uconn isn't a goid team but they are better than us. The last two hires continue to set us back. Sure doug is better than grob, but are we seriously still debating that, year 3 people, year 3. Jergens be damned

Starting to agree with you here IB. I really thought Marrone was would be the answer, but am starting to question that now. I know I generally overreact after a loss, especially those as frustrating as the last two weeks, but I have little confidence going forward we are righting the ship to any significant degree. Marrone being a Syracuse guy does not guarantee success, but will be very painful if a separation becomes necessary. Still think he was the best hire at the time - had Holtz taken the job we would be even worse off. Hope the booze doesn't ruin my day tomorrow

 

[Chip]

I'm sorta the opposite. Last 3 years of P and obviously all 4 years of GRob helped me accept losing. But after WVU I threw my chips all back in. Knowing we have now lost to both Rutgers and Uconn I'm pretty upset about it. Hard to ever feel bad for coaches forced out of jobs. They are paid well enough to weather it.

 

[chakka3421]

I'm ok with the loss to P. After the loss to UL, I began to adjust my expectations to a 7-5 at best or 6-6 season this year. I don't have a problem with our coaches, for me it's about the lack of talent.

 

[ForeverOrange]

I hate losing, and I hope you guys are wrong about DM, because if you're not than the road will become a lot longer trying to find ANOTHER coach, figure out what his offensive and defensive philosophies are and than waiting another 3 years of their recruiting to see how it pans out...uggg please no, please coach Marrone be the coach we all hope you are.

 

[SWC75]

Do you find yourself good company?

 

[OrangePA]

Marrone and this staff officially lost me today and last week. I have seen enough to know he isn't a very good oc, game coach or recuiter. I am 100% off the bandwagon and essentially expect to lose versus any bcs opponent at this point.. its ashame we can't attract a higher caliber of coach, people can pile on me all they want but Marrone will never turn this program into anything but a bottom to middle of the pack acc team. Uconn isn't a goid team but they are better than us. The last two hires continue to set us back. Sure doug is better than grob, but are we seriously still debating that, year 3 people, year 3. Jergens be damned

Marrone is going to be fine and you will change your mind soon enough. Love your passion. Hang in - we are headed in the right direction.

 

[rrlbees]

I don't have a problem with our coaches, for me it's about the lack of talent.

I came to the realization today that it's not the lack of talent.

 

[Cusefan95]

Marrone and this staff officially lost me today and last week. I have seen enough to know he isn't a very good oc, game coach or recuiter. I am 100% off the bandwagon and essentially expect to lose versus any bcs opponent at this point.. its ashame we can't attract a higher caliber of coach, people can pile on me all they want but Marrone will never turn this program into anything but a bottom to middle of the pack acc team. Uconn isn't a goid team but they are better than us. The last two hires continue to set us back. Sure doug is better than grob, but are we seriously still debating that, year 3 people, year 3. Jergens be damned

I see you decided not to self-impose a ban on yourself after this loss. I still think it's way too early to give up on Marrone, programs that change coaches every 4-5 years never get consistency and there are plenty of examples that have been tossed out of guys that started slow that had great, long careers.

But this was still a tough loss to take as a fan. Last week I wrote off a bit as the players being flat after the big WVU win and Louisville being fired up. Those things happen to every team, and there's only so much a coach can do to try to get a bunch of 20 year old kids to listen. Today we lost, and a whole lot of the reason for that falls on the coaching staff/game plan.

 

[kcsu]

I came to the realization today that it's not the lack of talent.

Agreed. We have a kid who is in over his head as oc. I actually think he will end up being a good one but Hack should have spent more time as a position coach. The last thing that a rebuilding program needs is a coach in a critical position who is learning on the job

 

[rrlbees]

Agreed. We have a kid who is in over his head as oc. I actually think he will end up being a good one but Hack should have spent more time as a position coach. The last thing that a rebuilding program needs is a coach in a critical position who is learning on the job

I'm not sure it's the coaching either, although I suspect it is. What I mean by saying it isn't the talent is that the BE is so weak, no matter how little talent we do or don't have, it is at least as good as most of our opponents. Heck, thinking back through all our games, the only teams I would say had more talent that us are USC, Wake and WVU and we won 2 of them.

 

[OrangePA]

I came to the realization today that it's not the lack of talent.

Actually it is.

We can't punt, can't KO, can't run from the QB position, can't hit a home run with the pass or the run and don't have enough experience on defense.

 

[rrlbees]

Actually it is.

We can't punt, can't KO, can't run from the QB position, can't hit a home run with the pass or the run and don't have enough experience on defense.

We have more talent than UConn.

 

[kcsu]

Actually it is.

We can't punt, can't KO, can't run from the QB position, can't hit a home run with the pass or the run and don't have enough experience on defense.

Sure we are in need of a major infusion of Talent. But for gosh sake this was UCONN. They are a horrible team and i would say we have equal if not better talent. No PA the issue today was coaching. Why did we play to the Uconn strength and try on run on a team that only gives up 90 yards a game vs going pass happy when they have the third worst secondary in all of bsc? Why didnt we stack the box and put a spy on their QB who has only attempted 7 passes all year? Why did we kick off to their KO return guy who we know is one of the best in the league to start the game? No PA today the coaches lost this game.

 

[kingottoiii]

I'm not sure it's the coaching either, although I suspect it is. What I mean by saying it isn't the talent is that the BE is so weak, no matter how little talent we do or don't have, it is at least as good as most of our opponents. Heck, thinking back through all our games, the only teams I would say had more talent that us are USC, Wake and WVU and we won 2 of them.

The Big East sux. Even worse than I thought it would be. On top of that we have 4 home conference games vs 3 roadies. If we do not go 3-4 this year in conference it will be a bad job by the coaches. No excuse for going 2-5 or (god forbid) 1-6 this year. We have the ability to win the next three and I think we matchup well with all three. So if we get 2 more Ws, I don't think anyone can complain with our overall body of work. However if we do not get those 2 Ws, I want us to stay in the BE the whole 27 months. Because we would be embarrassed in the ACC. It would be obvious that our coaches are not ready for the jump to the big leagues.

 

[Cuseregular]

Marrone is going to be fine and you will change your mind soon enough. Love your passion. Hang in - we are headed in the right direction.

Exactly. We beat USF next week.

 

[cmr27]

I came to the realization today that it's not the lack of talent.

Ryan can't make the throws consistently, which limits the playbook on offense. A big concern to me is that the team doesn't have a leader and, curiously, has no real identity after 9 games. Lots of leadership problems here.

 

[chakka3421]

Ryan can't make the throws consistently, which limits the playbook on offense. A big concern to me is that the team doesn't have a leader and, curiously, has no real identity after 9 games. Lots of leadership problems here.

That's my issue too - no internal leadership. Team captains are weak as compared to last year. We have no game changers on either side of the ball and our players are still too young. 55 out of 80 are only 2 years into the program.

We have undersized players on both sides of the ball. Our NT is 270 lbs and out C is 270 lbs. Show me another College team that leads that way with undersized players and wins. We only have 1 player over 300 lbs that starts in the trenches on either side.

 

[jr4750]

I'm sorta the opposite. Last 3 years of P and obviously all 4 years of GRob helped me accept losing. But after WVU I threw my chips all back in. Knowing we have now lost to both Rutgers and Uconn I'm pretty upset about it. Hard to ever feel bad for coaches forced out of jobs. They are paid well enough to weather it.

Exactly... You make a million dollars a year coaching a game, you are eligible for ridicule and must prove your worth. DM was gifted some leniency early and won it rightfully last year... He has lost games in his career he should have won due to boneheaded mistakes by coaches and players... see Minnesota, UCONN, UL x2, etc. Eventually that has to stop. All this talk about his ceiling being 5-7 is starting to effect me. I seriously hope that's not true. He has three games left, that can be won. Let's get motivated and get it done...

 

[OrangeTarheel]

Compare this team to two years ago - we are competitive in almost every game and are actually moving the ball on offense. I see significant improvement in the teams from one season to the next, mostly on offense. I feel like Marrone is going to be good but you have to be fair, he is trying to right a ship that has been sinking for a LONG TIME and he is doing it with limited resources. I see a lot of upside for the next few years as we transition to a winning program in the ACC.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Marrone and this staff officially lost me today and last week. I have seen enough to know he isn't a very good oc, game coach or recuiter. I am 100% off the bandwagon and essentially expect to lose versus any bcs opponent at this point.. its ashame we can't attract a higher caliber of coach, people can pile on me all they want but Marrone will never turn this program into anything but a bottom to middle of the pack acc team. Uconn isn't a goid team but they are better than us. The last two hires continue to set us back. Sure doug is better than grob, but are we seriously still debating that, year 3 people, year 3. Jergens be damned

You've been off the Marrone bandwagon a long time. In fact, I have a hard time remembering whether you were ever ON the Marrone bandwagon.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Exactly. We beat USF next week.

Rutgers and UConn were the 2 most winnable games on our conference schedule. It really sucks that we let both get away. USF remains our last best chance to get to 6. Cinci and Pitt will be tougher games than the ones we let get away.