Northwestern AD Jim Phillips decries one-and-done culture ...

[Cowtown]

" ... shame on us. We've allowed the National Basketball Association to dictate what our rules are, or influence what our rules are at the collegiate level."

Almost everybody agrees, the question still remains what to do about it.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bas...cats-ad-jim-phillips-decries-one-done-culture

 

[pfister1]

I like what he is saying, but I don't understand how the "year of readiness" is consistent with his basic premise; that the NCAA is acting in the interest of the NBA and not necessarily in its own interest?

Seems like they are just passing a rule intended to foil the NBA's one year removed from H.S. graduation rule, rather than to actually come up with a solution to what I think are the two base problems (i) the NCAA allows itself to be used as the NBA's minor league and (ii) NCAA schools recruit and willing accept athletes that are not qualified and have zero interest in being students.

 

[dasher]

How many one and done players has Northwestern had?

 

[Full_Rebar]

I like what he is saying, but I don't understand how the "year of readiness" is consistent with his basic premise; that the NCAA is acting in the interest of the NBA and not necessarily in its own interest?

Seems like they are just passing a rule intended to foil the NBA's one year removed from H.S. graduation rule, rather than to actually come up with a solution to what I think are the two base problems (i) the NCAA allows itself to be used as the NBA's minor league and (ii) NCAA schools recruit and willing accept athletes that are not qualified and have zero interest in being students.

Couldn't agree more. It's also funny how Swarbrick is bemoaning changing the model when the SI article clearly shows that ND's entire football recruiting class was below normal ND Admission standards.

 

[Hoo's That]

How many one and done players has Northwestern had?

But they play against them every year.

 

[Hoo's That]

Couldn't agree more. It's also funny how Swarbrick is bemoaning changing the model when the SI article clearly shows that ND's entire football recruiting class was below normal ND Admission standards.

So are Harvard's and every other Ivy's. Ours, too, especially those from (as we like to say), the 757 (Tidewater Va).

That's not the point, though. ND players have to go to class and 90-some-odd percent graduate. A goodly number of them go to the undergraduate business school which is ranked in the Top 5.

 

[Full_Rebar]

So are Harvard's and every other Ivy's. Ours, too, especially those from (as we like to say), the 757 (Tidewater Va).

That's not the point, though. ND players have to go to class and 90-some-odd percent graduate. A goodly number of them go to the undergraduate business school which is ranked in the Top 5.

I understand that. I'm just saying the model isn't "student first" now, so why are certain schools crying about it? If you are really against the concept, only admit the athletes who meet those standards.

I just can't stand the hypocrisy from admins like that. It's easy to say "We give athletes an opportunity based upon their athletic ability, but then we expect them to meet the ND standards".

 

[Hoo's That]

I understand that. I'm just saying the model isn't "student first" now, so why are certain schools crying about it? If you are really against the concept, only admit the athletes who meet those standards.

I just can't stand the hypocrisy from admins like that. It's easy to say "We give athletes an opportunity based upon their athletic ability, but then we expect them to meet the ND standards".

I have a very queasy feeling that we're heading into "interesting times" (in the ancient Chinese curse sense of the phrase) and Bilas' proposal that players won't have to go to class is going to happen. To go Biblical, "the wheat will be separated from the chaff" and there will be "a wailing and a gnashing of teeth" as a result. In football, I think we'll be one of the "no" votes, for basketball - :noidea:. The great conflict will arise if it has to be a single vote.

 

[Madbiker]

" ... shame on us. We've allowed the National Basketball Association to dictate what our rules are, or influence what our rules are at the collegiate level."

Almost everybody agrees, the question still remains what to do about it.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bas...cats-ad-jim-phillips-decries-one-done-culture

What does Northwestern care about basketball? They haven't been to the NCAAT since 1940. I don't think they're the ones to be calling the shots here. Good luck trying to get the athletic factories to not recruit one-and-done kids. If you want to stop it, it has to be done in partnership with the NBA. Same way the NFL and MLB made rules in coordination with the NCAA to not draft kids until after their 3rd year.

 

[jordoo]

I don't see why schools cannot have minors in "professional athlete" where the credits could transfer to a certain array of undergraduate degree's if the student doesn't leave early. They could have legitimate classes not fake ones, but they would pertain to what these students actually come to the school for.

Personally I'm against the age restrictions that are put in place by the NBA. If they want to sign up they should be able to. I do feel that the NCAA should allow these kids to be invited to some sort of predraft evaluation/workouts that the NBA would pay for which would not cost them their eligibility if they decided not to enter the draft. I think it should be the same for current college players each year. Perhaps it would be invite only which would be indication enough for most if they did not receive an invite.

 

[Full_Rebar]

I have a very queasy feeling that we're heading into "interesting times" (in the ancient Chinese curse sense of the phrase) and Bilas' proposal that players won't have to go to class is going to happen. To go Biblical, "the wheat will be separated from the chaff" and there will be "a wailing and a gnashing of teeth" as a result. In football, I think we'll be one of the "no" votes, for basketball - :noidea:. The great conflict will arise if it has to be a single vote.

I am holding out hope that the NBA expands the D-league and drops the age requirement. It gives more veterans bench jobs as teams let young guys develop.

I think the NCAA can make some changes- if all P5 schools pay for summer, let students take 9 credits in-season, give them 5 yrs of eligibility. This eases the burden and allows students more flexibility to pursue "real degrees"

 

[jordoo]

I am holding out hope that the NBA expands the D-league and drops the age requirement. It gives more veterans bench jobs as teams let young guys develop.

I think the NCAA can make some changes- if all P5 schools pay for summer, let students take 9 credits in-season, give them 5 yrs of eligibility. This eases the burden and allows students more flexibility to pursue "real degrees"

See this is my problem with the whole thing. There are lots of workable scenarios and ideas out there which would be so much better than how its done now. Its simply not that hard but all you get is NCAA people beeching and moaning about it. Nothing is done.

 

[Madbiker]

I really don't see why the NBA should be different than the NFL or MLB. If they think a high school kid is worthy, let him be drafted and the team can decide whether to keep him on the roster or send him to the D league. But if a kid goes to college he can't be drafted until after his 3rd year. The NBA and the NBAPA have to agree to it or it doesn't work. That would give the LeBrons and Kobes the chance to go pro right away and the rest would invest 3 years in college to develop. It would stop the 1-and-done stuff. Just realize that the really top 15 kids will all go pro out of HS and will never play in the college game...but IMO it's worth it to stop the 1-and-done circus. And frankly, SU doesn't get hardly any of these top 15 kids anyway.

 

[SBU72]

What is wrong with being NBA minor league? Good players make for an exiting game = money. Also football is essentially a minor league for the NFL, if not more so. AND to be literal, many college kids are in a sense in the minor leagues in college for their chosen profession.

 

[Cowtown]

How many one and done players has Northwestern had?

What does Northwestern care about basketball? They haven't been to the NCAAT since 1940. I don't think they're the ones to be calling the shots here. Good luck trying to get the athletic factories to not recruit one-and-done kids. If you want to stop it, it has to be done in partnership with the NBA. Same way the NFL and MLB made rules in coordination with the NCAA to not draft kids until after their 3rd year.

It's not about Northwestern University's view on college basketball. Jim Phillips is speaking as the chairman of the NCAA Division I Council, because that's who he is. Would you rather have Jim Harrick? Kelvin Sampson? Dave Bliss? I hear they're looking for work.

And he didn't say they should not work in conjunction with the NBA, he said the NBA shouldn't be making decisions for how the NCAA operates.

And I'd hazard the guess the NCAA Div I council has many policies and related issues to deal with, not just the one-and-done situation, and that Phillips' qualifications for the position extend well beyond a single issue.

 

[Briancuse]

With all due respect to this guy,Northerwestern isn't a school that is going to be bringing in one and done players, if he was the ad of Kansas, I would take his comments a lot more serious.

 

[Cowtown]

With all due respect to this guy,Northerwestern isn't a school that is going to be bringing in one and done players, if he was the ad of Kansas, I would take his comments a lot more serious.

Do you disagree that there's currently a problem? Many people, including Adam Silver, Mark Emmert and John Calipari have identified "one-and-done" as a situation that needs to be addressed. Are you suggesting Emmert and Silver know bupkis because they have never head-coached an NCAA Div I basketball team? (It's okay if you don't like Calipari ... )

 

[Briancuse]

Do you disagree that there's currently a problem? Many people, including Adam Silver, Mark Emmert and John Calipari have identified "one-and-done" as a situation that needs to be addressed. Are you suggesting Emmert and Silver know bupkis because they have never head-coached an NCAA Div I basketball team? (It's okay if you don't like Calipari ... )

I don't disagree at all, I have been saying for years that college basketball should go to the mlb model for the draft, but its easy to sit there and complain about the one and done players when your at a school like northwestern.

 

[longtimefan]

With all due respect to this guy,Northerwestern isn't a school that is going to be bringing in one and done players, if he was the ad of Kansas, I would take his comments a lot more serious.

As noted above, he made that statement while wearing his NCAA hat, not his Northwestern one.

 

[longtimefan]

What does Northwestern care about basketball? They haven't been to the NCAAT since 1940. I don't think they're the ones to be calling the shots here. Good luck trying to get the athletic factories to not recruit one-and-done kids. If you want to stop it, it has to be done in partnership with the NBA. Same way the NFL and MLB made rules in coordination with the NCAA to not draft kids until after their 3rd year.

Northwestern has never made the NCAA tournament.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I really don't see why the NBA should be different than the NFL or MLB. If they think a high school kid is worthy, let him be drafted and the team can decide whether to keep him on the roster or send him to the D league. But if a kid goes to college he can't be drafted until after his 3rd year. The NBA and the NBAPA have to agree to it or it doesn't work. That would give the LeBrons and Kobes the chance to go pro right away and the rest would invest 3 years in college to develop. It would stop the 1-and-done stuff. Just realize that the really top 15 kids will all go pro out of HS and will never play in the college game...but IMO it's worth it to stop the 1-and-done circus. And frankly, SU doesn't get hardly any of these top 15 kids anyway.

3 years makes no sense to me. That means you'd have kids leaving just short of graduation. Make it 4 so that if courses are completed on time the student-athlete has a more realistic chance of leaving with a degree.

 

[Briancuse]

As noted above, he made that statement while wearing his NCAA hat, not his Northwestern one.

But that is hard to do, because we all know what is on his agenda.

 

[Cheriehoop]

"ROSEMONT, Ill. -- Northwestern athletic director Jim Phillips, chair of the new Division I council, voiced his opposition Tuesday to the one-and-done culture in college basketball, joining powerful voices that include NCAA president Mark Emmert and Kentucky coach John Calipari."

Really? Calipari is voicing his opposition to the one and done culture according to ESPN? This was the statement that really got my attention.

 

[longtimefan]

But that is hard to do, because we all know what is on his agenda.

We all know?

 

[pfister1]

3 years makes no sense to me. That means you'd have kids leaving just short of graduation. Make it 4 so that if courses are completed on time the student-athlete has a more realistic chance of leaving with a degree.

That would be a rule established by the league or in the collective bargaining agreement with the professional players. Why does the NBA care whether a kid gets a degree?

I think if the NCAA would rescind the rule that makes players forfeit their eligibility upon entering the draft, there would be a whole lot of change for the good. Pair that with the NCAA tightening its belt a little bit with respect to the players it grants scholarships to and VOILA!