Not that I want the guy here

[GoSU96]

but here is Cubit's record over the last ten years. And take that into account when seeing what Lester might be trying to do here if he stays.

Cubit was HC at Western Michigan from 2005 to 2012. Millhouse made a post awhile back about having a "long track record of lousy D-1 offenses".

Total Offense in that period, 48th, 78th, 57th, 28th, 56th, 34th, 19th, 37th.

Not sure how that is a long track record of lousy.

Passing Offense, 32nd, 77th, 31st, 11th, 21st, 16th, 8th, 28th.

Pass Efficiency, 22nd, 67th, 46th, 23rd, 81st, 39th, 20th, 78th.

Scoring, 29th, 64th, 65th, 41st, 80th, 27th, 19th, 61st.

Millhouse was right about one thing, he doesn't seem very committed to running the ball

57th, 56th, 86th, 96th, 100th, 93rd, 94th, 74th,

As for his record at Illinois

The two years prior

86th, 119th total offense, 41st, 97th rushing, 91st, 107th passing, 83rd, 102nd pass , 91st, 119th scoring.

Two years there

46th, 106th total offense, 92nd, 116th rushing, 22nd, 47th passing, 35th, 53rd pass , 61st, 89th scoring.

Looks like they fell off some this year, but he had an instant positive impact.

As for the long track record of lousy offenses, I wish we would fail in the pass game like his offenses have.

If Lester could bring a top 60 offense 7 or 8 years and the defense stays consistent this team wins at least 8 games a year.

 

[Millhouse]

but here is Cubit's record over the last ten years. And take that into account when seeing what Lester might be trying to do here if he stays.

Cubit was HC at Western Michigan from 2005 to 2012. Millhouse made a post awhile back about having a "long track record of lousy D-1 offenses".

Total Offense in that period, 48th, 78th, 57th, 28th, 56th, 34th, 19th, 37th.

Not sure how that is a long track record of lousy.

Passing Offense, 32nd, 77th, 31st, 11th, 21st, 16th, 8th, 28th.

Pass Efficiency, 22nd, 67th, 46th, 23rd, 81st, 39th, 20th, 78th.

Scoring, 29th, 64th, 65th, 41st, 80th, 27th, 19th, 61st.

Millhouse was right about one thing, he doesn't seem very committed to running the ball

57th, 56th, 86th, 96th, 100th, 93rd, 94th, 74th,

As for his record at Illinois

The two years prior

86th, 119th total offense, 41st, 97th rushing, 91st, 107th passing, 83rd, 102nd pass , 91st, 119th scoring.

Two years there

46th, 106th total offense, 92nd, 116th rushing, 22nd, 47th passing, 35th, 53rd pass , 61st, 89th scoring.

Looks like they fell off some this year, but he had an instant positive impact.

As for the long track record of lousy offenses, I wish we would fail in the pass game like his offenses have.

If Lester could bring a top 60 offense 7 or 8 years and the defense stays consistent this team wins at least 8 games a year.

feel free to look at his record at Stanford and Rutgers too. why did you stop going back? gee i wonder

"Not sure how that is a long track record of lousy." it's not that hard to check wikipedia.

team offense

missouri 2000, 75th
rutgers 2001 dead last
rutgers 2002 dead last
stanford 2003 108th
stanford 2004 90th

just what we need, the guy who steered the rutgers offense in 2001 and 2002

 

[Chip]

just what we need, the guy who steered the rutgers offense in 2001 and 2002

That's actually one thing I can overlook, other than the terrible career choice of accepting that role.

He walked into a no win situation with that one. I doubt Chip Kelly as OC gets them far from the offensive basement in Schiano's first 2 years.

 

[Millhouse]

That's actually one thing I can overlook, other than the terrible career choice of accepting that role.

He walked into a no win situation with that one. I doubt Chip Kelly as OC gets them far from the offensive basement in Schiano's first 2 years.

he didn't make it much better starting his kid at QB. that's a big red flag

his kid has been following him around on his staff until he got a DWI this year. i assume we'd be getting multiple cubits if we go that route

 

[javadoc]

he didn't make it much better starting his kid at QB. that's a big red flag

his kid has been following him around on his staff until he got a DWI this year. i assume we'd be getting multiple cubits if we go that route

Riiiiiiiiiiight.

What's a cubit?

 

[Millhouse]

Riiiiiiiiiiight.

What's a cubit?

it's equivalent to the length of your forearm or amount of yards passing for kimble, whichever is bigger

 

[GoSU96]

feel free to look at his record at Stanford and Rutgers too. why did you stop going back? gee i wonder

"Not sure how that is a long track record of lousy." it's not that hard to check wikipedia.

team offense

missouri 2000, 75th
rutgers 2001 dead last
rutgers 2002 dead last
stanford 2003 108th
stanford 2004 90th

just what we need, the guy who steered the rutgers offense in 2001 and 2002

Really, that's the best you can do?

Stop, now you're just embarrassing yourself.

Let's see if I have this right,

1. Excellent past performance doesn't matter if doesn't support your agenda, because what only matters is today,

2. Continued improved performance from a rough start doesn't matter if performance didn't meet your standard from the very start, regardless of circumstances, and there's no way it can get better.

3. A guy with a solid recent record over an extended period of time who evidently knows how to put together an excellent pass scheme is lousy because he worked at horrible programs 1o to 15 years ago.

 

[GoSU96]

he didn't make it much better starting his kid at QB. that's a big red flag

his kid has been following him around on his staff until he got a DWI this year. i assume we'd be getting multiple cubits if we go that route

Did you notice where I said I didn't want him here.

And what does any of that have to do with Lester implementing what seems to be at least a very good pass scheme that has worked over time.

 

[Millhouse]

but here is Cubit's record over the last ten years. And take that into account when seeing what Lester might be trying to do here if he stays.

Cubit was HC at Western Michigan from 2005 to 2012. Millhouse made a post awhile back about having a "long track record of lousy D-1 offenses".

Total Offense in that period, 48th, 78th, 57th, 28th, 56th, 34th, 19th, 37th.

Not sure how that is a long track record of lousy.

Passing Offense, 32nd, 77th, 31st, 11th, 21st, 16th, 8th, 28th.

Pass Efficiency, 22nd, 67th, 46th, 23rd, 81st, 39th, 20th, 78th.

Scoring, 29th, 64th, 65th, 41st, 80th, 27th, 19th, 61st.

Millhouse was right about one thing, he doesn't seem very committed to running the ball

57th, 56th, 86th, 96th, 100th, 93rd, 94th, 74th,

As for his record at Illinois

The two years prior

86th, 119th total offense, 41st, 97th rushing, 91st, 107th passing, 83rd, 102nd pass , 91st, 119th scoring.

Two years there

46th, 106th total offense, 92nd, 116th rushing, 22nd, 47th passing, 35th, 53rd pass , 61st, 89th scoring.

Looks like they fell off some this year, but he had an instant positive impact.

As for the long track record of lousy offenses, I wish we would fail in the pass game like his offenses have.

If Lester could bring a top 60 offense 7 or 8 years and the defense stays consistent this team wins at least 8 games a year.

his first year at illinois had a lot of trick plays. not sure how sustainable that is.

complex playbook http://www.footballstudyhall.com/20...e-football-playbook-simple-complex-formations click illinois in the infographic

http://www.thechampaignroom.com/2013/9/11/4720870/bill-cubits-bag-of-tricks

 

[Millhouse]

Really, that's the best you can do?

Stop, now you're just embarrassing yourself.

Let's see if I have this right,

1. Excellent past performance doesn't matter if doesn't support your agenda, because what only matters is today,

2. Continued improved performance from a rough start doesn't matter if performance didn't meet your standard from the very start, regardless of circumstances, and there's no way it can get better.

3. A guy with a solid recent record over an extended period of time who evidently knows how to put together an excellent pass scheme is lousy because he worked at horrible programs 1o to 15 years ago.

You wanted to talk about long coaching records, I just went back to when he started as an offensive coordinator. You want to leave out the worst years and pretend like that is the long track record

your posts are jumbled messes which obscures that the guy isn't that good.

At WMU he averages 49th in total offense
Not at WMU he averages 86th
Overall average of 70th

I think 86th qualifies as lousy. 70th when a bunch of it comes in the MAC qualifies too.

He's probably better than Lester which is why we shouldn't hire either of them. Given a choice, I say go with Lester because at least there's some upside even if he's probably worse. What are we expecting to get from a 60 year old guy who has had so many chances?

 

[Millhouse]

Did you notice where I said I didn't want him here.

And what does any of that have to do with Lester implementing what seems to be at least a very good pass scheme that has worked over time.

i don't think it's that good a pass scheme. most offenses have a correlation between pass efficiency and total offense but cubit's somehow managed to break that link

 

[GoSU96]

You wanted to talk about long coaching records, I just went back to when he started as an offensive coordinator. You want to leave out the worst years and pretend like that is the long track record

your posts are jumbled messes which obscures that the guy isn't that good.

At WMU he averages 49th in total offense
Not at WMU he averages 86th
Overall average of 70th

I think 86th qualifies as lousy. 70th when a bunch of it comes in the MAC qualifies too.

He's probably better than Lester which is why we shouldn't hire either of them. Given a choice, I say go with Lester because at least there's some upside even if he's probably worse. What are we expecting to get from a 60 year old guy who has had so many chances?

I'm not the one making an unsustainable claim, something you have a habit of.

The phrase "a long track record" implies a continual level of performance, which clearly isn't the case.

Look at the subject line regarding if I think Shafer should try to get him there.

 

[Millhouse]

I'm not the one making an unsustainable claim, something you have a habit of. The phrase "a long track record" implies a continual level of performance, which clearly isn't the case. Look at the subject line regarding if I think Shafer should try to get him there.

Below average in a long career

 

[MadNY3]

I am enjoying this thread. It's more competitive than our games.

 

[Toga]

 

[Crusty]

Based on his record at Elmhurst, it doesn't appear that Lester is a true disciple of Cubit. He ran 2/3 of the time in his last season there. We have no clue what he will run - I just hope he does.