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Message: [QUOTE="javadoc, post: 4070108, member: 338"] As long as we're venting... I do believe that, as has been quipped by coaches over the years, talent is XYZ% of winning, where XYZ > 50. So how long do you wait on a new coach to determine if he's a good enough recruiter? The first year is likely a wash due to the turnover, but should you take hints from that immediate recruiting period? Maybe you start to get nervous if he doesn't land a new "four star" player instantly? And what about the next year? Surely you'll know by then if the coach is a good enough recruiter to keep. Because, after all, if the recruiting isn't good, then why keep the coach? But hmm, how do you know how good the players are going to be? After one year? What about development time? Ahhhhhh, grasshopper, you see we have found an Oracle, a sure way to determine how good the players are before they even play. It's called "unarguably objective recruiting service" and it is never wrong in the aggregate. No need to wait - you will know instantly whether the coach has persuaded an acceptable group of young men to play for him, or if he might as well hit the bricks. And you can't afford to wait! Even one bad year will set your program back, when you see that all your neighbors have done better. If you can't keep up with the Joneses, you have to go! So there is my first point. By the logic of your arguments, those of you who swear by the recruiting services and bemoan our current efforts, I want to hear you say that coaching contracts should stipulate that recruiting efforts will be judged according to name-your-favorite-here, and if you aren't in at least Nth place in the conference (or in all of FBS), you're out. And that applies on your first full recruiting year - your 2nd in the program - if not immediately! Why wait? Same thing every year. 4th year? No matter. Ah, but there is more. "Our class is in Nth place in the conference" is a weaselly way of saying, "These kids aren't good enough to be here." Well, now is your chance to shine. We're redoing the coaching staff, so why not the players as well? For your movie reference, how about Amadeus? When Mozart is told that his work is too long, and he needs to "take out some notes" or something to that effect. And he says, "Which ones did you have in mind?" Mason, Foster, Cruz, Peterson, etc. Have at them. Come on, let's hear which ones are not good enough to play for Syracuse. Maybe if you say it forcefully enough, they'll decommit, and WHEW you saved us the trouble of wasting a roster spot on someone who shouldn't have been recruited in the first place! [/QUOTE]

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