Notre Dame - 5 Games Against ACC Teams Each Year

[suloyalfan]

I would assume that the 5 games will rotate through every team in the ACC for fairness... if so, does that mean that SU will play Notre Dame pretty much twice every 6 years, with one game at Notre Dame and one game in the Carrier Dome?

If this is how the 5 ACC games will rotate, how could they refuse to play SU in the Carrier Dome but go and play games at everyone else's home fields?

 

[SaltineWarrior]

Has to be good for CNY fans.

 

[rrlbees]

I would assume that the 5 games will rotate through every team in the ACC for fairness... if so, does that mean that SU will play Notre Dame pretty much twice every 6 years, with one game at Notre Dame and one game in the Carrier Dome?

If this is how the 5 ACC games will rotate, how could they refuse to play SU in the Carrier Dome but go and play games at everyone else's home fields?

That's what it should mean. So basically tear up the Metlife deal for SU/ND.

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[suloyalfan]

That's what it should mean. So basically tear up the Metlife deal for SU/ND.

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So, in that case, who replaces Notre Dame in those games?

I am assuming we are looking for another "national" game against someone like Texas, Florida, Michigan, Nebraska, Ohio State? From the opponents perspective, it seems like it would have to be someone who has a large national fan base and someone who values recruiting on the East Coast... I think that eliminates most of the west coast teams aside from USC, who has already been part of the lineup. The ACC teams are also eliminated, and I don't think Syracuse would play any of the remaining Big East teams there in that game (no Rutgers/Temple/UCONN!!!).

I guess many of the Big 10, Big 12, and SEC teams would be in play to schedule but I also think that the majority of those teams would already agree to come to the Carrier Dome to play anyway in a home and home series (ala Northwestern, Minnesota, Washington), so why would we want to play them in NYC?

 

[TDTOrange]

I don't think anything will happen to the ND/MetLife games. Those are our scheduled "home" games for the signed series. It's already been stated that these games will count in NDs allotment of 5 required ACC games in future seasons. The ACC will just help ND come up with the remaining games. I doubt this will ever get into a defined rotation among the ACC teams as something will change before the next 10 years elapse and existing contracts are played out.

As far as the games at MetLife, some folks are just going to have to accept that they are home games (other than PSU next year, true neutral). They will remain that way because
$ > $

 

[rrlbees]

As far as the games at MetLife, some folks are just going to have to accept that they are home games (other than PSU next year, true neutral). They will remain that way because
$ > $

And some people will have to accept that attendance will continue to suck. It is essentially now moving conference games. ND has an ACC agreement now.

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[ImperialOrange]

We could potentially see our 2 ACC games in the 6 years fall right after the 4 year met life deal is done. I was hoping it would be once every 3 years vs them but may not work out as such. Could see our 4 met life ND game followed by 2 ACC ND games effectively playing them 6 years in a row.

IF Notre Dame waits 27 months to leave the BE we would only have 2 games left in the Met life series so could see 2016 @ Met Life, 2017 @ South Bend, 2018 @ SU, 2 years off, @ ND, 2 years off, @ SU and so on if it's 1 game every 3 years with the ACC scheduling.

 

[suloyalfan]

I don't think anything will happen to the ND/MetLife games. Those are our scheduled "home" games for the signed series. It's already been stated that these games will count in NDs allotment of 5 required ACC games in future seasons. The ACC will just help ND come up with the remaining games. I doubt this will ever get into a defined rotation among the ACC teams as something will change before the next 10 years elapse and existing contracts are played out.

As far as the games at MetLife, some folks are just going to have to accept that they are home games (other than PSU next year, true neutral). They will remain that way because
$ > $

Who stated that ND will be able to play Syracuse at MetLife Stadium but have to play against other ACC teams at their actual home field? Where was that stated? In the contract? That doesn't make sense from a fairness standpoint and I can't imagine how Syracuse would be willing to accept that while other ACC teams will have home games hosting Notre Dame.

 

[Chip]

And some people will have to accept that attendance will continue to suck. It is essentially now moving conference games. ND has an ACC agreement now.

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You're backing into your point. Saying SU is "moving it's conference games" (even "essentially") is quite the play on words.

The move to the ACC, ND's involvement, are all long term gains. People are too focused on the short term (see all the crazy posts in the last 6 months or so about the 2012 schedule, specifically the Stony Brook and Mizzou games).

Yeah, we probably play the ND games in NYC as schedule. I don't think just ripping that up seems like a very wise move. Maybe we can negotiate 1 of the 2 being in the Dome, who knows.

Beyond that, when it's our turn every 6 years to host one, it should be in the Dome. If it's not, then we can talk about the problem we're creating.

 

[cpatrocks]

The Metlife/ND games will still happen and those games will count as one of the 5 ND plays against the ACC.

 

[ImperialOrange]

The Metlife/ND games will still happen and those games will count as one of the 5 ND plays against the ACC.

Source/link?

 

[TDTOrange]

Who stated that ND will be able to play Syracuse at MetLife Stadium but have to play against other ACC teams at their actual home field? Where was that stated? In the contract? That doesn't make sense from a fairness standpoint and I can't imagine how Syracuse would be willing to accept that while other ACC teams will have home games hosting Notre Dame.

They aren't conference games. They're a non-conference scheduling arrangement facilitated by the ACC. What each school chooses to do with their home games in this arrangement is up to them. SU will be playing ND at MetLife because it's a good deal for them.

To add to this, I'd be shocked if ND ever played at Wake or Duke either. I could see those schools moving them to Charlotte or DC and cashing the check.

 

[rrlbees]

You're backing into your point. Saying SU is "moving it's conference games" (even "essentially") is quite the play on words.

The move to the ACC, ND's involvement, are all long term gains. People are too focused on the short term (see all the crazy posts in the last 6 months or so about the 2012 schedule, specifically the Stony Brook and Mizzou games).

Yeah, we probably play the ND games in NYC as schedule. I don't think just ripping that up seems like a very wise move. Maybe we can negotiate 1 of the 2 being in the Dome, who knows.

Beyond that, when it's our turn every 6 years to host one, it should be in the Dome. If it's not, then we can talk about the problem we're creating.

So as a member of the ACC, SU plays their home games vs ND at a neutral site (with more ND fans), while the rest of the ACC teams play ND at home? Nice contract Swofford got us. on SU.

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[rrlbees]

They aren't conference games. They're a non-conference scheduling arrangement facilitated by the ACC. What each school chooses to do with their home games in this arrangement is up to them. SU will be playing ND at MetLife because it's a good deal for them.

To add to this, I'd be shocked if ND ever played at Wake or Duke either. I could see those schools moving them to Charlotte or DC and cashing the check.

We're in the ACC now. Remember? We're getting an extra $15-18M a year. We're not destitute now. So how is it a good deal? Its a deal we no longer need unless you are in the KO camp of playing all our home games on the road.

Tear Metlife up and play ND under the ACC agreement.

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[Chip]

So as a member of the ACC, SU plays their home games vs ND at a neutral site (with more ND fans), while the rest of the ACC teams play ND at home? Nice contract Swofford got us. **** on SU.

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Sorry, I just don't really see the logic here. SU wanted those games in NYC too (I know I know, at the expense of the local fan). But what does Swofford or the ACC have to do with this? You're connecting dots way after the fact. When the ND/NYC series is over in 2017, are you saying that we still have to play ND in NYC, let's say in 2023 when it's our turn to play them in a home game? That's what the ACC said? Where's the link to that one?

I think we should blame the Big East for making us play Penn State in 2008 in front of more Penn State fans than SU fans.

 

[TDTOrange]

We're in the ACC now. Remember? We're getting an extra $15-18M a year. We're not destitute now. So how is it a good deal? Its a deal we no longer need unless you are in the KO camp of playing all our home games on the road.

Tear Metlife up and play ND under the ACC agreement.

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I'm sorry, when did getting more money become something that every other college team in the country stopped pursuing. Just because we'll be getting more soon, doesn't mean we're set. It's a constantly moving target. The ACC helps us catch up and pass our Big East peers, but we're still behind just about everyone else currently in the ACC, not to mention the other BCS conferences.

 

[rrlbees]

Sorry, I just don't really see the logic here. SU wanted those games in NYC too (I know I know, at the expense of the local fan). But what does Swofford or the ACC have to do with this? You're connecting dots way after the fact. When the ND/NYC series is over in 2017, are you saying that we still have to play ND in NYC, let's say in 2023 when it's our turn to play them in a home game? That's what the ACC said? Where's the link to that one?

I think we should blame the Big East for making us play Penn State in 2008 in front of more Penn State fans than SU fans.

No, I am saying we wont be needed the money so much and we can still play ND under the ACC agreement. We don't the Metlife games. And do you think we'll get ND games under the ACC games? Nope. They'll look at the Metlife games as "our turn". And while wr are playing at Metlife, others will be playing at home.

Or do you think we will get ND games under the ACC contract in ADDITION to the Metlife games?

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[rrlbees]

I'm sorry, when did getting more money become something that every other college team in the country stopped pursuing. Just because we'll be getting more soon, doesn't mean we're set. It's a constantly moving target. The ACC helps us catch up and pass our Big East peers, but we're still behind just about everyone else currently in the ACC, not to mention the other BCS conferences.

I'm sorry, when did cultivating a home crowd advantage become something that every other college team in the country stopped pursuing?

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[Chip]

No, I am saying we wont be needed the money so much and we can still play ND under the ACC agreement. We don't the Metlife games. And do you think we'll get ND games under the ACC games? Nope. They'll look at the Metlife games as "our turn". And while wr are playing at Metlife, others will be playing at home.

Or do you think we will get ND games under the ACC contract in ADDITION to the Metlife games?

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It's definitely worth Gross looking into. But for all we know, Gross still prefers to play them in NYC twice. I don't know how Metlife itself as the host site factors into all of this either.

My guess would be because it's a pre-existing game, we would get pushed to the back of the line when it comes to the home and home portion of the ND agreement. Still need to see when all of this starts. ND could buy their way out of the 27 month agreement with pocket change, you would think. So if they start next year, what happens to other existing arrangements? ND-Pitt are scheduled to play the next 4 years. Does that bump another school's turn? Also looks like they have a 4 game series (over 5 years) scheduled with BC coming up.

Granted, each of those schools are getting home games because of the city they happen to be located in, but do they each lose one of those games, or wait an even longer period of time before getting their next series because they are getting more ND games up front?

There's a lot to still be worked out. But I can't imagine ND wants to give up those NYC appearances. And I'm guessing Gross doesn't either. So it would be hard to say we're getting screwed by the ACC if Gross says don't touch those games.

 

[Bayside44]

After last night's event I am rather confident that the Giants Stadium games will continue with ND, PSU, and whoever else is interested.

 

[Scooch]

After last night's event I am rather confident that the Giants Stadium games will continue with ND, PSU, and whoever else is interested.

If SU can get good again these NYC games will seem much better. If we keep playing in front of thousands of empty seats I'm going to be disappointed in them.

 

[rrlbees]

After last night's event I am rather confident that the Giants Stadium games will continue with ND, PSU, and whoever else is interested.

Kiss strong Dome attendance good bye for good.

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[MaxwellCuse]

If SU can get good again these NYC games will seem much better. If we keep playing in front of thousands of empty seats I'm going to be disappointed in them.

I was reading on one of the Rutgers boards that the SU-USC game might not have pulled in huge numbers of fans at MetLife, but the TV numbers were excellent. The RU fans admitted they were envious and surprised at how well the game attracted TV eyeballs. If I can remeber where I read this I'll post the numbers.

 

[longtimefan]

Who stated that ND will be able to play Syracuse at MetLife Stadium but have to play against other ACC teams at their actual home field? Where was that stated? In the contract? That doesn't make sense from a fairness standpoint and I can't imagine how Syracuse would be willing to accept that while other ACC teams will have home games hosting Notre Dame.

Dr Gross was quoted in the P-S today saying that SU, although advised of developments by Swofford, doesn't have "voting rights" yet. So, we were not in the room to speak up for ourselves when agreements were made.

 

[orangepassion]

Kiss strong Dome attendance good bye for good.

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You think this would be the reason why?