Notre Dame and NBC renew football partnership through 2025.

[dasher]

BTN is on DirecTV nationally, and while its not official yet because of the tragedy in Boston, but the SEC deal will likely be national. I don't know that yet but when the SEC deal comes out we will find out if DirecTV will put SEC network like BTN.

the sec will be on directv but I suspect the acc will be as well.

 

[xc84]

Correct...
This was not a surprise to either ACC or ESPN....note that the ESPN $$$ for upping the TV rights for ACC came first...and the thought this could be the case with ND going to NBC...so the following was based on NBC getting the ND home contract:
...remember that the projection for Notre Dame dollar increase to ACC was going to be between $1-$2 million per team...it was based on 5 or 6 games...the 3-2 or 2-3 games considered ACC home games will be paid for by ESPN and would easily be played/replayed on an ACC Network...TV rights belong to ESPN and or ESPN/ACC network.
What is of note, is that the ACC contract with ESPN ends in 2025; Notre Dame contract ends with NBC in 2025 and the New BCS contract comes up again in 2025...it appears to be a date of demarcation...Notre Dame is in as an associate of ACC and is proving it is willing to keep its 5 game a year schedule...all other sports sans hockey are in the ACC...all these sports will be part of the ACC TV contract...and therefore could be available for the ACC Network. I hold strong that the network will come to fruition.

We'll all be dead by 2025... no one will wait that long.

 

[Alsacs]

A few questions:

Was it a failure financially? And can a program have too much money?

Where did I say the payoff in playing in NJ would be immediate or unfailing? (We didn't sign Mike Hart either.)

What makes you think ND would've agreed to play in the Dome this time around? Are we better playing them on their terms or not at all (and replacing them with Arizona State ... the locals won't complain about that (yes, I'm being sarcastic))? To say it's better to play them is a totally valid point of view.

Re-read the Donnie Webb article from 2009 announcing the series -- http://blog.syracuse.com/orangefootball/2009/08/syracuse_will_play_usc_notre_d.html -- Gross relays that he understands the concerns expressed here, and still determined it was worth it. That's good enough for me.

The money that Syracuse is getting from the Metlife games shouldn't matter to us fans. While we want SU to be flush with cash I could careless if they profit 5 million a year or 15 million a year as the University is doing fine either way.
2. I could careless about playing in NJ for recruiting we are close enough to the state that any recruit's family is only a car drive away from campus.
3. We only needed the ND series if we were stuck in the Big East making 3 million a year in TV money with 15 million a year in ACC money it makes no sense playing ND in a 2-0-2 series. Syracuse has gotten home and homes with a lot of schools Penn State, USC, Virginia, Florida State, Ohio State, Michigan, Iowa, Northwestern, Illinois we don't need to play Notre Dame as they aren't a football rival, if we played any BCS school in a home and home it would be better than playing a road game in South Bend and then a neutral site/road game against Notre Dame in Metlife when the crowd will have as many ND fans as SU fans if not nore ND fans. For the USC game at Metlife the stadium didn't even sell any tickets to the upper deck of the stadium, as SU and USC couldn't even fill the lower bowl. The game was pointless and did very little for SU except make a home game a neutral site game. The fact last year we played 5 games at the Dome is unacceptable and the fact we moved the most appealing home game from last year 300 miles away and the stadium couldn't even be 2/3s full is a joke. This Metlife series is stupid if we are going to move the most premium game away from the Dome. Explain how Dr. Gross could only have 5 games on the Dome schedule and if he was going to take the payday from Missouri last year why did we need to take the payday for USC game in NJ. The people who are defending these NJ games at the expense of Dome games are the fans in the NYC/NJ area who want close games, I am not the AD of SU, but I wouldn't alienate my local fanbase and then expect them to come out and support the team.

 

[GoSU96]

So basically I can't be entitled to my own opinion is that what you are saying? If you disagree with me fine, but I am entitled to my opinions I have laid them out in my posts. I will say what I said before DISCLAIMER: What I say is my opinion its not 100% it is what I think and if you think my posts are 100% they are not and read them at your own risk. Okay, everybody just remember that and if you don't want to deal with the scorn of the almighty GOSU96 make sure your posts have no opinions in them and or else you posting a final conclusion. Your problem with my post is you don't like it well either block me or deal with it.
I don't care if you like it or if it seems its a conclusion built on nothing I read a lot and keep myself updated on these subjects and I don't post just for the hell of it. If you don't like my opinions fine criticize them, disagree with them, but do not talk down to me like your the end all be all and I need to have your approval to give my opinion.

Here's the problem, your first post was not presented as an opinion.

If your argument is that the ACC is going to have a tough time maximizing value, getting clearences, and therefore the value propostion is going to be less attractive to ESPN and puts the whole thing at risk, have at it, not much to disagree with there. That's a reasonable argument.

But to come out of the gate with, damn ND 'ed us again, the whole ACC network thing is doomed, there's no hope, not so much.

 

[GoSU96]

I'm sorry, but it's Big East Redux. All the same problems, and eventually all the same instability

Half the conference didn't play football. Now there's one team out of 14 play a 5 games instead of 8 or 9.

Yep, that's a damn mirror image.

 

[TerryD]

This sounds odd. Content from other sports on NBC networks?

“While our relationship with NBC Sports is longstanding, the more recent merger between NBC and Comcast has opened up additional avenues to expand the breadth of Notre Dame-related sports programming on NBC platforms,” said Notre Dame athletics director Jack Swarbrick in a release. “Specifically, the evolution of the NBC Sports Network has provided opportunities for special programming featuring inside looks at our football team and several other Notre Dame sports programs and in-depth profiles on the unsung heroes of Notre Dame athletics.”

Here is a bit more on that:


"The extension keeps Notre Dame linked with not only NBC, but with Comcast and the NBC Sports Network. The channel, estimated to penetrate 80 million homes, will broadcast the Blue-Gold Game this weekend. It will also show a Notre Dame football spring football feature. That follows programming of Irish hockey, lacrosse and basketball.

NBC has the right to move a Notre Dame home game off its over-the-air network to the cable television. It has that option in the current contract as well.. Swarbrick said Notre Dame has a vested interest in growing the NBC Sports Network but said an Irish home game moving to cable isn’t imminent.

“That’s really a great partner for us as you can see through the number of shows we’ve distributed through it over the last year,” he said. “We don’t have any reluctance to have that happen.”

The new NBC contract will have Notre Dame play five night games over a two-year span. That means three night games inside Notre Dame Stadium to go with the two Shamrock Series games off-site, which have always kicked off at night. Swarbrick said the night game double in South Bend wouldn’t start this season."



http://notredame./content.asp?CID=1497110

 

[TerryD]

You might as well hang a picture of the Carrier Dome next to the Golden Dome.

Because Syracuse was only thinking of its' own self-interests when it abandoned the BE and accepted the ACC offer.

It's a good thing that Cantor and Gross weren't thinking of poor UConn and USF when they made that truely selfish decision.

One poster here thought ND would be greedy and put the contract out for competitive bid. Others think ND is greedy for resigning with NBC. Ironic.

Unless ABC was going to broadcast almost every ND home game, there was no chance that ND would sign with them. They want almost all of their games nationally broadcast on an over the air network, not a cable one or a regional ABC game.

ND fans are bitching about the possibility of one game a year moving from NBC to NBC Sports. There was no way ND was going to sign to be put on a cable channel.

 

[Alsacs]

One poster here thought ND would be greedy and put the contract out for competitive bid. Others think ND is greedy for resigning with NBC. Ironic.

Unless ABC was going to broadcast almost every ND home game, there was no chance that ND would sign with them. They want almost all of their games nationally broadcast on an over the air network, not a cable one or a regional ABC game.

ND fans are bitching about the possibility of one game a year moving from NBC to NBC Sports. There was no way ND was going to sign to be put on a cable channel.

If ND was going to allow 2 night games scheduling 6 ND home games( not including the 7th Shamrock game) wouldn't have been a problem making all 6 ABC full country broadcasts. ABC does triple headers twice a month in October because of the MLB playoffs and if ND was playing Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue, USC, Stanford, and the ACC games there wouldn't have been a problem making them national broadcasts on ABC. I am going to say no more because you are a guest and we won't agree about much.

 

[OrangePA]

You might as well hang a picture of the Carrier Dome next to the Golden Dome.

Because Syracuse was only thinking of its' own self-interests when it abandoned the BE and accepted the ACC offer.

It's a good thing that Cantor and Gross weren't thinking of poor UConn and USF when they made that truely selfish decision.

Different.

Cantor didn't maintain a parasitic relationship with certain components of the BE and work on the other side to deplete its resources.

SU left a conference it did not use a conference.

You swung and missed on this one
.

 

[Alsacs]

Different.

Cantor didn't maintain a parasitic relationship with certain components of the BE and work on the other side to deplete its resources.

SU left a conference it did not use a conference.

You swung and missed on this one
.

Don't forget ND's president was the chairman of the Big East expansion committee WHILE they were negotiating with the ACC. I don't blame ND for doing what its in their best interests it is just frustrating having to deal with them.

 

[phil77]

The money that Syracuse is getting from the Metlife games shouldn't matter to us fans. While we want SU to be flush with cash I could careless if they profit 5 million a year or 15 million a year as the University is doing fine either way.
2. I could careless about playing in NJ for recruiting we are close enough to the state that any recruit's family is only a car drive away from campus.
3. We only needed the ND series if we were stuck in the Big East making 3 million a year in TV money with 15 million a year in ACC money it makes no sense playing ND in a 2-0-2 series. Syracuse has gotten home and homes with a lot of schools Penn State, USC, Virginia, Florida State, Ohio State, Michigan, Iowa, Northwestern, Illinois we don't need to play Notre Dame as they aren't a football rival, if we played any BCS school in a home and home it would be better than playing a road game in South Bend and then a neutral site/road game against Notre Dame in Metlife when the crowd will have as many ND fans as SU fans if not nore ND fans. For the USC game at Metlife the stadium didn't even sell any tickets to the upper deck of the stadium, as SU and USC couldn't even fill the lower bowl. The game was pointless and did very little for SU except make a home game a neutral site game. The fact last year we played 5 games at the Dome is unacceptable and the fact we moved the most appealing home game from last year 300 miles away and the stadium couldn't even be 2/3s full is a joke. This Metlife series is stupid if we are going to move the most premium game away from the Dome. Explain how Dr. Gross could only have 5 games on the Dome schedule and if he was going to take the payday from Missouri last year why did we need to take the payday for USC game in NJ. The people who are defending these NJ games at the expense of Dome games are the fans in the NYC/NJ area who want close games, I am not the AD of SU, but I wouldn't alienate my local fanbase and then expect them to come out and support the team.

But we signed the MetLife contract when we needed the money now that we have the ACC contract and more money we just can't void the MetLife contract now. So we are tied to the MetLife contract regardless. So everyone can cry all they want about it but we are not getting out of the MetLife contract anytime soon. I know it sucks for local fans but Dr. Gross went into the contract not knowing Syracuse sports future. My guess is if he knew we would be n the ACC or Big 10 then he probably wouldn't have entered into the contract. At the time the business decision made sense to Dr. Gross.

 

[Alsacs]

But we signed the MetLife contract when we needed the money now that we have the ACC contract and more money we just can't void the MetLife contract now. So we are tied to the MetLife contract regardless. So everyone can cry all they want about it but we are not getting out of the MetLife contract anytime soon. I know it sucks for local fans but Dr. Gross went into the contract not knowing Syracuse sports future. My guess is if he knew we would be n the ACC or Big 10 then he probably wouldn't have entered into the contract. At the time the business decision made sense to Dr. Gross.

Contracts are made and broken all the time, I am sure if Dr. Gross repaid whatever money he has received from the Metlife people they could easily get out of the contract. I have no problem playing games in Metlife, but not premium games at the expense of natural home games. We are not tied to any contract I or any lawyer could easily find a way to repudiate the contract and their has to either a liquidated damages provision or some sort of buyout agreement.

 

[Todd Gack]

The money that Syracuse is getting from the Metlife games shouldn't matter to us fans. While we want SU to be flush with cash I could careless if they profit 5 million a year or 15 million a year as the University is doing fine either way.
2. I could careless about playing in NJ for recruiting we are close enough to the state that any recruit's family is only a car drive away from campus.
3. We only needed the ND series if we were stuck in the Big East making 3 million a year in TV money with 15 million a year in ACC money it makes no sense playing ND in a 2-0-2 series. Syracuse has gotten home and homes with a lot of schools Penn State, USC, Virginia, Florida State, Ohio State, Michigan, Iowa, Northwestern, Illinois we don't need to play Notre Dame as they aren't a football rival, if we played any BCS school in a home and home it would be better than playing a road game in South Bend and then a neutral site/road game against Notre Dame in Metlife when the crowd will have as many ND fans as SU fans if not nore ND fans. For the USC game at Metlife the stadium didn't even sell any tickets to the upper deck of the stadium, as SU and USC couldn't even fill the lower bowl. The game was pointless and did very little for SU except make a home game a neutral site game. The fact last year we played 5 games at the Dome is unacceptable and the fact we moved the most appealing home game from last year 300 miles away and the stadium couldn't even be 2/3s full is a joke. This Metlife series is stupid if we are going to move the most premium game away from the Dome. Explain how Dr. Gross could only have 5 games on the Dome schedule and if he was going to take the payday from Missouri last year why did we need to take the payday for USC game in NJ. The people who are defending these NJ games at the expense of Dome games are the fans in the NYC/NJ area who want close games, I am not the AD of SU, but I wouldn't alienate my local fanbase and then expect them to come out and support the team.

1) If the money shouldn't matter to us fans, why is there a thread pinned to the top of this board asking people to donate to the IPF? (As of this post, there's $9,541 in the Syracusefan.com kitty -- "Here you go, Daryl -- that should cover it.") If money doesn't matter, why tout the TV money we'll be getting from the ACC as a reason not to play at MetLife?

2) The powers that be don't care about how you feel their decisions will affect recruiting. Putting aside the whole "New York's College Team" argument, or the comments made by Marrone on the benefits of playing at Yankee Stadium, here's what Gross said at the time of the MetLife announcement: "Recruiting is really important. To play those games in the New York area, now you hit Northern New Jersey, now you hit Long Island, now you hit New York City, now you hit Pennsylvania, you have exposure that's unrivaled."

3) The ND at MetLife deal was announced in August 2009 -- Syracuse was invited to the ACC in September 2011. The USC game and Notre Dame series are a different kettle of fish -- in part (if I understand correctly) the USC game was switched from the Dome to MetLife. (It's less defensible, but still isn't enough reason in my mind to withhold your support for the team for the other five games.) It also meant only 5 home games. This year, we're playing at MetLife and hosting six games -- can we not do that again in 2014 and 2016? You can poo-poo playing Notre Dame, but they move the needle -- as evidenced by the fury in this thread. And whereas the nexus of our disagreement is whether people who withhold their support from Syracuse because they "move" a marquee game to MetLife are justified (you) or idiots (me), I say that bringing Illinois to the Dome won't get them to ante up for season tickets. And even if Illinois did, do you reasonably expect them to be there for Tulane? These people don't love Syracuse football, they love an event -- and they can't be who you let control decisions about the well-being of your football program.

 

[xc84]

The money that Syracuse is getting from the Metlife games shouldn't matter to us fans. While we want SU to be flush with cash I could careless if they profit 5 million a year or 15 million a year as the University is doing fine either way.
2. I could careless about playing in NJ for recruiting we are close enough to the state that any recruit's family is only a car drive away from campus.
3. We only needed the ND series if we were stuck in the Big East making 3 million a year in TV money with 15 million a year in ACC money it makes no sense playing ND in a 2-0-2 series. Syracuse has gotten home and homes with a lot of schools Penn State, USC, Virginia, Florida State, Ohio State, Michigan, Iowa, Northwestern, Illinois we don't need to play Notre Dame as they aren't a football rival, if we played any BCS school in a home and home it would be better than playing a road game in South Bend and then a neutral site/road game against Notre Dame in Metlife when the crowd will have as many ND fans as SU fans if not nore ND fans. For the USC game at Metlife the stadium didn't even sell any tickets to the upper deck of the stadium, as SU and USC couldn't even fill the lower bowl. The game was pointless and did very little for SU except make a home game a neutral site game. The fact last year we played 5 games at the Dome is unacceptable and the fact we moved the most appealing home game from last year 300 miles away and the stadium couldn't even be 2/3s full is a joke. This Metlife series is stupid if we are going to move the most premium game away from the Dome. Explain how Dr. Gross could only have 5 games on the Dome schedule and if he was going to take the payday from Missouri last year why did we need to take the payday for USC game in NJ. The people who are defending these NJ games at the expense of Dome games are the fans in the NYC/NJ area who want close games, I am not the AD of SU, but I wouldn't alienate my local fanbase and then expect them to come out and support the team.

I am a long-time season ticket holder. I am not from NYC/NJ area. I went the game at Metlife last year and had a great time. I will go again this year. As a fan, I liked it. I also think it's part of a good strategy to get more NYC area alumni excited about the games and perhaps become future season ticket holders one day.

Of course, you say you don't care about he money etc., then you talk about the "payday" and how we only need the money if we were in the BE, etc.. Which is it...do you care about the money or not?

 

[IthacaMatt]

The money that Syracuse is getting from the Metlife games shouldn't matter to us fans. While we want SU to be flush with cash I could careless if they profit 5 million a year or 15 million a year as the University is doing fine either way.
2. I could careless about playing in NJ for recruiting we are close enough to the state that any recruit's family is only a car drive away from campus.
3. We only needed the ND series if we were stuck in the Big East making 3 million a year in TV money with 15 million a year in ACC money it makes no sense playing ND in a 2-0-2 series. Syracuse has gotten home and homes with a lot of schools Penn State, USC, Virginia, Florida State, Ohio State, Michigan, Iowa, Northwestern, Illinois we don't need to play Notre Dame as they aren't a football rival, if we played any BCS school in a home and home it would be better than playing a road game in South Bend and then a neutral site/road game against Notre Dame in Metlife when the crowd will have as many ND fans as SU fans if not nore ND fans. For the USC game at Metlife the stadium didn't even sell any tickets to the upper deck of the stadium, as SU and USC couldn't even fill the lower bowl. The game was pointless and did very little for SU except make a home game a neutral site game. The fact last year we played 5 games at the Dome is unacceptable and the fact we moved the most appealing home game from last year 300 miles away and the stadium couldn't even be 2/3s full is a joke. This Metlife series is stupid if we are going to move the most premium game away from the Dome. Explain how Dr. Gross could only have 5 games on the Dome schedule and if he was going to take the payday from Missouri last year why did we need to take the payday for USC game in NJ. The people who are defending these NJ games at the expense of Dome games are the fans in the NYC/NJ area who want close games, I am not the AD of SU, but I wouldn't alienate my local fanbase and then expect them to come out and support the team.

I agree with a lot of that, but a couple things need to be considered. When these games were booked in 2009, we were still in the Big East and Marrone had just been hired. We were in our absolute depths as a program, so high visibility games were important.

Second, by playing games down there, we make it very easy for the NYC based media to cover us. This results in us getting more coverage for these games than if they had been played in the Dome. So the media was another concern.

Finally, I imagine that the guarantees were very good, based on what Gross has said before about being able to cover 3/4 of the budget based off the Giants Stadium game, so there's that. And, yes, the ability of NYC area alumni to see games is important, too, if we could ever turn out for football down there like we do for basketball games in the Garden.

I don't fault Gross as much for doing this now as I did at the time. Now that we're in the ACC, games in NYC don't hurt the home schedule as much - you're still going to get a couple big time "name" teams on the home schedule, so season ticket sales shouldn't suffer as much. When we were stuck in the old Big East, that wasn't the case.

 

[IthacaMatt]

I am a long-time season ticket holder. I am not from NYC/NJ area. I went the game at Metlife last year and had a great time. I will go again this year. As a fan, I liked it. I also think it's part of a good strategy to get more NYC area alumni excited about the games and perhaps become future season ticket holders one day.

Of course, you say you don't care about he money etc., then you talk about the "payday" and how we only need the money if we were in the BE, etc.. Which is it...do you care about the money or not?

I didn't go last year, but have previously gone to the Kick-Off Classics down there against Georgia Tech and the previous time against USC. Yes, the stadium didn't sell out, but it was still a great time.

 

[Alsacs]

1) If the money shouldn't matter to us fans, why is there a thread pinned to the top of this board asking people to donate to the IPF? (As of this post, there's $9,541 in the Syracusefan.com kitty -- "Here you go, Daryl -- that should cover it.") If money doesn't matter, why tout the TV money we'll be getting from the ACC as a reason not to play at MetLife?

2) The powers that be don't care about how you feel their decisions will affect recruiting. Putting aside the whole "New York's College Team" argument, or the comments made by Marrone on the benefits of playing at Yankee Stadium, here's what Gross said at the time of the MetLife announcement: "Recruiting is really important. To play those games in the New York area, now you hit Northern New Jersey, now you hit Long Island, now you hit New York City, now you hit Pennsylvania, you have exposure that's unrivaled."

3) The ND at MetLife deal was announced in August 2009 -- Syracuse was invited to the ACC in September 2011. The USC game and Notre Dame series are a different kettle of fish -- in part (if I understand correctly) the USC game was switched from the Dome to MetLife. (It's less defensible, but still isn't enough reason in my mind to withhold your support for the team for the other five games.) It also meant only 5 home games. This year, we're playing at MetLife and hosting six games -- can we not do that again in 2014 and 2016? You can poo-poo playing Notre Dame, but they move the needle -- as evidenced by the fury in this thread. And whereas the nexus of our disagreement is whether people who withhold their support from Syracuse because they "move" a marquee game to MetLife are justified (you) or idiots (me), I say that bringing Illinois to the Dome won't get them to ante up for season tickets. And even if Illinois did, do you reasonably expect them to be there for Tulane? These people don't love Syracuse football, they love an event -- and they can't be who you let control decisions about the well-being of your football program.

1. I said I don't care HOW MUCH SU profits. As long as the AD is in the black we SU fans have no vested interest in how much profit our university makes. What does it matter how much profit to us fans SU makes as long as they make money I don't care if its 5 million or 6 million the University is still going to ask alumni/fans to donate to the university as they should.
2. That is pure SPIN by Dr. Gross my goodness the recruiting aspect isn't going to be any different by playing a game at Metlife.
3. What you don't get is that people who are diehards are going to support the program no matter what have stuck with program while it cratered out under Greg Robinson. We probably have a hardcore fanbase of 25k to 30k I don't live in NY, but I am a season ticket holder to help SU build up its numbers and because it is cheap and I go to 1 home game maybe 2 games a year and donate the rest back to SU. How is Syracuse going to grow its local fanbase without having some games to suck them back in and then eventually getting full season tickets. I don't care about playing a game in Metlife if we have 6 home games each year, but you can't get that hardcore population up from 25k to 35k to 35k to 45k if you are going to move games that will draw local interest and suck them in to Metlife. SU football's brand isn't as strong locally as SU basketball because non-alumni, diehards don't think its as cool to watch SU football if you give them a winning product which Doug Marrone has started doing and mix in games that will attract casual fans then you will grow the local fanbase. What is so hard to understand about this.
Do you think last year's USC-SU game was a success?

 

[Todd Gack]

1. I said I don't care HOW MUCH SU profits. As long as the AD is in the black we SU fans have no vested interest in how much profit our university makes. What does it matter how much profit to us fans SU makes as long as they make money I don't care if its 5 million or 6 million the University is still going to ask alumni/fans to donate to the university as they should.
2. That is pure SPIN by Dr. Gross my goodness the recruiting aspect isn't going to be any different by playing a game at Metlife.
3. What you don't get is that people who are diehards are going to support the program no matter what have stuck with program while it cratered out under Greg Robinson. We probably have a hardcore fanbase of 25k to 30k I don't live in NY, but I am a season ticket holder to help SU build up its numbers and because it is cheap and I go to 1 home game maybe 2 games a year and donate the rest back to SU. How is Syracuse going to grow its local fanbase without having some games to suck them back in and then eventually getting full season tickets. I don't care about playing a game in Metlife if we have 6 home games each year, but you can't get that hardcore population up from 25k to 35k to 35k to 45k if you are going to move games that will draw local interest and suck them in to Metlife. SU football's brand isn't as strong locally as SU basketball because non-alumni, diehards don't think its as cool to watch SU football if you give them a winning product which Doug Marrone has started doing and mix in games that will attract casual fans then you will grow the local fanbase. What is so hard to understand about this.
Do you think last year's USC-SU game was a success?

1) Whether the SUAD is $1,000 in the black or $1,000,000 matters a lot.

2) Denying that schools like to play in recruiting hotbeds to attract recruits is just silly. Are you saying that Shafer isn't sitting in Florida living rooms telling parents they'll be a car ride away from seeing their kids play?

3) FWIW, I too am a season ticket holder who lives outside the area (DC). I would go to the Maine game if I were in CNY. The people we're arguing about are these 10,000 fans you say will show up if Notre Dame is at the Dome. (Though you can't say that ND would agree to play in the Dome or that another name school (e.g., OSU or Michigan) in 2013 would either. Iowa is not moving the needle.) I say if they're only showing up because one of these name schools are there then they're not Syracuse football fans -- they are fans of events. These are not people who are going to watch Stony Brook.

If the SUAD thinks playing in MetLife makes sense -- financial, recruiting, whatever -- that's good enough for me. I'm certainly not going to be swayed by the people who leave with 10 minutes left in the 4th to get a jump on Camillus traffic.

(And I have no reason to believe that 40K at MetLife for USC didn't trump 45K at the Dome.)

 

[All4SU]

I place all of this information into the file of: What Do We Know?

We know:
1) ND is all about ND. Their interests are their only motivation.
2) The ACC will be successful. The ACC is not folding up their tents any time soon.
3) ND is not joining the ACC for all sports.

If we can keep these things in mind, these threads become much easier to process.

 

[xc84]

I place all of this information into the file of: What Do We Know?

We know:
1) ND is all about ND. Their interests are their only motivation.
2) The ACC will be successful. The ACC is not folding up their tents any time soon.
3) ND is not joining the ACC for all sports.

If we can keep these things in mind, these threads become much easier to process.

4) All things are subject to change
5) #1 can be applied to any school

 

[Alsacs]

I wish Texas, Alabama, Ohio State, USC or 4 of the big dog schools would just get together and do the 4 conference draft idea I had from last year and get this s#it over with and create 4 16 team conferences

 

[All4SU]

4) All things are subject to change
5) #1 can be applied to any school

Re: #4 - Within reason. IMHO, not with those items listed above.
Re: #5 - I don't believe that's true. All schools are primarily concerned with their own interests, but again IMHO most schools -- especially those who affiliate with other like-minded institutions -- also look out for the good of the who as a secondary concern. With ND, there is no secondary motivation. It's ND #1, #2, and #everything.

 

[IthacaMatt]

1) Whether the SUAD is $1,000 in the black or $1,000,000 matters a lot.

2) Denying that schools like to play in recruiting hotbeds to attract recruits is just silly. Are you saying that Shafer isn't sitting in Florida living rooms telling parents they'll be a car ride away from seeing their kids play?

3) FWIW, I too am a season ticket holder who lives outside the area (DC). I would go to the Maine game if I were in CNY. The people we're arguing about are these 10,000 fans you say will show up if Notre Dame is at the Dome. (Though you can't say that ND would agree to play in the Dome or that another name school (e.g., OSU or Michigan) in 2013 would either. Iowa is not moving the needle.) I say if they're only showing up because one of these name schools are there then they're not Syracuse football fans -- they are fans of events. These are not people who are going to watch Stony Brook.

If the SUAD thinks playing in MetLife makes sense -- financial, recruiting, whatever -- that's good enough for me. I'm certainly not going to be swayed by the people who leave with 10 minutes left in the 4th to get a jump on Camillus traffic.

(And I have no reason to believe that 40K at MetLife for USC didn't trump 45K at the Dome.)

Even if those people who attend the ND game at the Dome are fans of "events" rather than the team, the simple fact is having a couple anchor home games on the schedule helps move more season tickets. It's indisputable.

Same thing holds true for hoops. Having a big name team from OOC coming to the Dome did move the needle for season tickets, and obviously for that game. People remember big games for a generation. That's how fans are made. How many people can tell you about big games they attended ("I was at the Final Four at the Meadowlands..." "I was at the Notre Dame game at the Dome.") That's how you hook a fan for life. We've had so many great Georgetown games at the Dome, can you imagine what it's going to be like the first time Duke and North Carolina come here to play? Gotta be 35,000 plus for each game and it will be insane!

When I was a kid, for me it was seeing Floyd Little two or three times when I was about 5 and 6 years old. The guy seemed like he could take it to the house every single time he touched the ball, especially on kick returns. We played big time teams - UCLA - how exotic to a local kid that a team came all the way from Los Angeles to play us, and they had those gorgeous uniforms. Man, they looked cool !

And then I got to see Gayle Sayers come here to play. Even to a young kid, everybody knew this guy was an elite talent. Those things stuck with me forever. Seeing Larry Csonka as a little kid bulldoze people with his runs up the middle.

Yes, some of those memories are without regard to who we played, but there is nothing like a big game atmosphere where the crowd is all pumped up and loud and rowdy. You need to have those on your home schedule.

 

[Guinness]

That follows programming of Irish ... lacrosse and basketball.

How is that possible? I thought everything but football and hockey was in the ACC and belonged to the upcoming ACC network?

 

[Alsacs]

How is that possible? I thought everything but football and hockey was in the ACC and belonged to the upcoming ACC network?

LOL I didn't catch that until you bolded that, if NBC Sports has any rights to any ND basketball and lacrosse then Swofford should put on a clown suit, if its just a recap show then its okay. However, any non football or hockey ND coaches show or weekly recap shows would be valuable content to the ACC network programming.