Now that GMac is HC, what does next year's squad look like?

[RedtheGOB]

LOL

But they're going to make a huge jump when Gmac tells them to next year ha. It's time to trim the fat ha

 

[Orangezoo]

lol I’m not saying all 3 will be. Doty and Folefac will be in the rotation though.

You have these guys in the rotation
Anthony
Kingz
Sadiq
Doty
Folefac

Then hypothetically let’s say we get Mingo. The number 1 high school PG in the country who is gonna leave UNC. Then we get a transfer big that averaged lets say 14 and 8 at his last school that was a P4 school. And a 40%+ 3 point shooter on the wing. I don’t think many people would be upset with that. With the guys I mentioned above. Then add some good rotational pieces to the team that would be good players off the bench and for the future.

Could have starting

Mingo
Anthony/Doty
Kingz
Sadiq
Stud transfer big

Off the bench
Doty/Anthony
Folefac
A wing that can shoot well from the portal
A back up center from the portal
Then a 3/4 combo forward
A back up point guard

Now obviously not saying all that is going to happen. And certainly not saying we get Mingo but I bet we make a strong okau for him. But I think people are underestimating Doty and Folefac a lot just because they played at Siena. These guys are good players. Tbh I have a hard time believing either would have been at Siena next year even if G-Mac was there. Some one at the P4 level would have paid them

Is Mingo ready enough? I just worry with the crapshoot that is freshmen, even top 20 level, do you risk going that route plus Moesch as a frosh as someone who might compete for the backup PG role?

 

[Hopkins16]

What? Who are your starters on that team?

White, Kingz and Kiyan along with 2 guys from the portal as starters. Betsy off the bench with 2 other portal guys and 2 Siena guys.

 

[Orangezoo]

White, Kingz and Kiyan along with 2 guys from the portal as starters. Betsy off the bench with 2 other portal guys and 2 Siena guys.

The only certain starter if he returns should be Kingz.

 

[djorange1989]

The only certain starter if he returns should be Kingz.

This

 

[shu 49]

IMO sadiq white for one will thrive with this coaching change

I truly think so too. He played tough and comfortable when Freeman wasn’t playing.

 

[shu 49]

After doing some research, I'm more convinced that we can keep Betsey, which would be a good thing for us. G-Mac was his primary recruiter in HS. Given that and the fact that Betsey probably wouldn't cost a whole lot next season, I find it hard to believe he would let a 6'8" forward who shot over 40% from 3 last season walk out the door.

I know he can shoot but he has other stuff to do and has 0 inside game. Needs to play tougher defense and not camp at three point line.

 

[shu 49]

I hope that we can keep at least 4 quality players from this past season ( 4 of Kiyan, White, Betsy, Kings, Freeman). I’m good with 3 guys from Siena, as long as they are not starters or the first 2 guys off the bench. To compete in the ACC, we will need at least 2 bench players from the portal who are better than the Siena guys.

Doty will play and play a lot.

 

[shu 49]

If we are gonna play hard tough defense a really good backup at point guard will be perfect especially if he has speed.

 

[shu 49]

Point guard, center and a shooter are big portal needs IMO. I really hope they pay up to get a point guard.

I think number 1 is center. 2 point guard and three if kingz don’t come back a sf or sg. White im good with at pf with some strength gain.

 

[HyattsCuse]

This is a fantasy roster that costs like 5 mil. So are you saying Gmac should leave 6 mil in the bank for a rainy day? Anyone else remembering be real upset when Autry left just a little money left in NIL last year...

That’s impressive you can put a value on a roster with a bunch of slots that are basically labeled “players to be named later”.

We have no clue what the market is going to look like with. Safe bet, last year’s prices will not be this year’s prices (i.e. prices keep going up). We don’t know who is going to available. We don’t know how much NIL they will seek. We don’t know how in demand each portal player will be. We don’t know how much the market will be willing to pay.

So how are you throwing a random $5 million valuation on that roster in which half are no names?

 

[bnoro]

Until otherwise proven I’m gonna go with Gerry’s skill assessment of the players he brings in along with the GM he chooses over yours. Otherwise why the hell haven’t you put in for the GM job if you seem to know something a new coach who hasn’t even finished his staff out doesn’t?

Look around - there are a ton of much higher rated kids who have disappointed while you have lower rated freshman around smaller leagues having strong years and portaling right after.

Not picking a fight or coming after you but think you have the cart before the horse here with some of these takes.

Ah yes, the ol non-sequitur where we blindly trust Gerry's talent evaluation.

All everyone on this board was saying last offseason was we cannot be going after guys from lower leagues because they don't transfer to the ACC after Carlos, Davis, and Taylor.

Now we're just like "oh yeah Folefac & Doty are gonna come here and be major contributors". It''s getting a little too "cult of Gerry" on these boards.

 

[cliftonparksufan]

That’s impressive you can put a value on a roster with a bunch of slots that are basically labeled “players to be named later”.

We have no clue what the market is going to look like with. Safe bet, last year’s prices will not be this year’s prices (i.e. prices keep going up). We don’t know who is going to available. We don’t know how much NIL they will seek. We don’t know how in demand each portal player will be. We don’t know how much the market will be willing to pay.

So how are you throwing a random $5 million valuation on that roster in which half are no names?

The last two years between 1600 and 1700 players entered the portal. Some did it just to up their ante at their old school. So if Sadiq enters the portal, it doesn't mean that he doesn't want to be in Syracuse, but that he wants to see his value.

We know, based on history, that you pay the most for a point guard and a big man. And we need both. We also need a sniper or two. It could be a D2 or D3 kid. Think Duncan Robinson. The problem being these kids are all well known. No hidden talent.

In a week, the names will start filling in.

 

[RedtheGOB]

That’s impressive you can put a value on a roster with a bunch of slots that are basically labeled “players to be named later”.

We have no clue what the market is going to look like with. Safe bet, last year’s prices will not be this year’s prices (i.e. prices keep going up). We don’t know who is going to available. We don’t know how much NIL they will seek. We don’t know how in demand each portal player will be. We don’t know how much the market will be willing to pay.

So how are you throwing a random $5 million valuation on that roster in which half are no names?

I was responding to the posters floating starting lineups made up of all Siena and returning Cuse players + a top center.

We have an estimate of what Siena players got in the 518. Let's say you get crazy and double what they're making.

For Syracuse guys we also have an idea what they were getting, but I have never known a program to give raises to returning players part of a losing team that also by every statistical tool are not worth what they were paid last year.

Portal guys that cost big money are not coming to sit way down the bench either.

If we buy a center for 5 mil that obvi changes the equation but no way I see that happening.

Even with NIL costs going way up every year the players being floated are not in those buckets to even get us close to what we have available for NIL.

 

[cliftonparksufan]

Ah yes, the ol non-sequitur where we blindly trust Gerry's talent evaluation.

He's the head coach. Who else would you trust? Right now there are about 350ish teams playing D1. Twelve kids a team thats about 4200 kids. About 40% go in the portal, plus some D2 and D3 kids. That's a lot of kids to keep track of. Gerry needs a staff ASAP.

I'm not concerned about his player evaluation, but just getting all his ducks in a row in a very short time. If they can quickly evaluate the guys with the right talent, the right attitudes, that hustle and never give up, he should be able to put a pretty good roster together. And year two should be a lot better.

 

[MikeSU02]

lol I’m not saying all 3 will be. Doty and Folefac will be in the rotation though.

You have these guys in the rotation
Anthony
Kingz
Sadiq
Doty
Folefac

Then hypothetically let’s say we get Mingo. The number 1 high school PG in the country who is gonna leave UNC. Then we get a transfer big that averaged lets say 14 and 8 at his last school that was a P4 school. And a 40%+ 3 point shooter on the wing. I don’t think many people would be upset with that. With the guys I mentioned above. Then add some good rotational pieces to the team that would be good players off the bench and for the future.

Could have starting

Mingo
Anthony/Doty
Kingz
Sadiq
Stud transfer big

Off the bench
Doty/Anthony
Folefac
A wing that can shoot well from the portal
A back up center from the portal
Then a 3/4 combo forward
A back up point guard

Now obviously not saying all that is going to happen. And certainly not saying we get Mingo but I bet we make a strong okau for him. But I think people are underestimating Doty and Folefac a lot just because they played at Siena. These guys are good players. Tbh I have a hard time believing either would have been at Siena next year even if G-Mac was there. Some one at the P4 level would have paid them

I’m not sold on Folefac being able to play at this level. And I’m insanely nervous if Doty starts. Feels like he’s getting the upstate NYer benefit here. I like Doty to be clear. If Kingz and one of Doty or Kiyan start, one of the latter two have to be 35% or higher from three.

Ideally, Kingz would be paired with a more proven wing that can shoot a three. Thats why we’re getting all this money, right?

Whats the deal with Mingo? Is he a real lead guard? Who is a doppelgänger for him?

 

[Orangezoo]

Ah yes, the ol non-sequitur where we blindly trust Gerry's talent evaluation.

All everyone on this board was saying last offseason was we cannot be going after guys from lower leagues because they don't transfer to the ACC after Carlos, Davis, and Taylor.

Now we're just like "oh yeah Folefac & Doty are gonna come here and be major contributors". It''s getting a little too "cult of Gerry" on these boards.

I mean if anyone is saying anything with absolute certainty- good or bad then well we know how that goes- you and me both for that matter. Also c’mon- saying I trust Gerry more than you on talent evaluation isn’t a stretch or controversial. That said if you are holding back an offer and joining the staff I look forward to the board reaction and s discourse and having the kind of access everyone wants to the team posting on the board

 

[Orangezoo]

I’m not sold on Folefac being able to play at this level. And I’m insanely nervous if Doty starts. Feels like he’s getting the upstate NYer benefit here. I like Doty to be clear. If Kingz and one of Doty or Kiyan start, one of the latter two have to be 35% or higher from three.

Ideally, Kingz would be paired with a more proven wing that can shoot a three. Thats why we’re getting all this money, right?

Whats the deal with Mingo? Is he a real lead guard? Who is a doppelgänger for him?

I think the better thing we have to hope for is we recruit 3 elite level guys and if Doty can legit beat the player out then win win . I will openly admit I’m higher on Folefac than a number of people but also think hes gotta prove he’s better than a 9th man etc. That said there’s a lot to work with there in my opinion which as I always do I’ll fully admit if I’m way off.

I don’t know Mingos game but it makes me really nervous to be putting the keys to a new system and a critical year into the hands of a freshman.

 

[Dmcnabbrules]

Folefac will need to become a better three point shooter and work on more creativity around the rim, but he is a good defender, plays with a lot of energy and is only going to be a sophomore.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

some of you are just really dense

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Ah yes, the ol non-sequitur where we blindly trust Gerry's talent evaluation.

All everyone on this board was saying last offseason was we cannot be going after guys from lower leagues because they don't transfer to the ACC after Carlos, Davis, and Taylor.

Now we're just like "oh yeah Folefac & Doty are gonna come here and be major contributors". It''s getting a little too "cult of Gerry" on these boards.

Yes.

You would have to believe GMAC's players are somehow qualitatively different.

If you believe that, it's because you believe in some special GMAC magic.

If you don't believe that, you may be wondering why Siena didn't rip through their conference last season with such an abundance of talent.

It was not a sure thing they would make their conference champion game, let alone win it.

 

[Orangezoo]

Yes.

You would have to believe GMAC's players are somehow qualitatively different.

If you believe that, it's because you believe in some special GMAC magic.

If you don't believe that, you may be wondering why Siena didn't rip through their conference last season with such an abundance of talent.

It was not a sure thing they would make their conference champion game, let alone win it.

Where might they have finished if they had Goodrick, Ducharme and Chandler all season?

We were all high on BH too as his team ripped through the American like a knife through hot butter then looked overmatched vs a depleted Ville team and his best player who many of us were excited about if he came with looked like he was way outclassed.

I think the skepticism is where we should all be but it would essentially be equivalent with the other options discussed and 3/4 million or more less in NIL had one of them be the selection.

Come end of October nothing counts until we see the real thing on the court and that feels like forever.

 

[Irishsecra1]

Ah yes, the ol non-sequitur where we blindly trust Gerry's talent evaluation.

All everyone on this board was saying last offseason was we cannot be going after guys from lower leagues because they don't transfer to the ACC after Carlos, Davis, and Taylor.

Now we're just like "oh yeah Folefac & Doty are gonna come here and be major contributors". It''s getting a little too "cult of Gerry" on these boards.

I think on reflection those guys failed because our coaching was bottom of the barrel.
Look at Freeman, high level talent but has really gone backwards since he got here.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Where might they have finished if they had Goodrick, Ducharme and Chandler all season?

I don't know. It is unknowable.

 

[crv1728]

Folefac will need to become a better three point shooter and work on more creativity around the rim, but he is a good defender, plays with a lot of energy and is only going to be a sophomore.

I looked up Folefac's 3 point shooting stats - 6-16 on the year for 37.5%, including 2-4 in Duke game. Not bad! If he comes to Syracuse, hope he can continue to improve.