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Message: [QUOTE="NineOneSeven, post: 3724890, member: 871"] Not all turnovers are equal though. I agree, Girard is a fine ball handler when he's not forced to do it a lot. But when Girard does turn it over, it usually ends up being an immediate basket, or foul shots. Live ball turnovers go down in the box scores the same as dead ball turnovers, but we know what means a lot more in a game. Some of Kadary's turnovers are going to be from forced passes inside, which are not the same as getting stripped 35 from the basket. Girard and Buddy are both decent at protecting the ball dribbling. The issue is, to do so a lot of the time they have their entire back turned. Which is fine, depending on the situation (run the clock out, stall ball, wait for help). But when it comes to getting into the offense for most of the game, it's wasting seconds and not putting pressure on the opposing defense. [/QUOTE]