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Message: [QUOTE="721Comstock, post: 3724932, member: 5429"] EXACTLY THIS. "a bad shot is the first pass in your opponent's fast break" Joe throws several of those up every game. They don't officially count as turnovers - but they should. And as was said, there are different kinds of turnovers. Kadary throwing a next-level pass to a teammate, who is oblivious to it, resulting the ball going out of bounds, is a LOT less bad than Joe G's dribble getting picked clean and having it taken the other way for a layup. [/QUOTE]