Offensive ppg here on out

[Millhouse]

Can't count on OT or defense to get TDs, no more URI's on the schedule.

Offense scores 23.6 ppg vs FBS in regulation

Remaining schedule, the defenses are currently ranked 1, 3, 10, 17, 24, and 37. Average of 15.

They've already played 15, 25, 28, 64, 83. Avg of 43

Last year, McF***it got fired after his offense scored 16.75 ppg. Let's just throw out the end of the year because, well, i don't know we'd ever do that but people want to have amnesia so fine.

The difference between the 15th and 43rd scoring defenses is 16.7 ppg and 23 ppg.

It's almost an exact match. we score what the average offense does against 43rd ranked defenses. so lets plug in 16.7 for the rest of the games.

That would work out to 19.8 points per game

If you fire McF***it because they're so stupid in the red zone with a QB who can't throw the ball, do we fire lester for only managing one more FG per game with a QB we are all thrilled about?

I think you do.

 

[K Otto XLIV]

I have posted this before but 2014 McDonald we had more yards per game and more yards per play than this year's Lester team.

I think we scored around 24 vs Pitt. I don't think we hit 20 vs FSU, Louisville, or Clemson. I think we could put up 27 against NC State, but BC will be a first team to 10 type of game. I think we score about 20 ppg the rest of the way.

The scheme has not workout out thus far. It pretty much has been hope that Dungey makes something out of nothing. Imagine if Hunt never got hurt? The O would look even worse.

 

[PAcuse]

So we set the standard of OC getting one year, maybe one and half year? Who the hell in there right mind would want to come here? No way Lester gets fired after year one with so many young players.

 

[GoSU96]

Can't count on OT or defense to get TDs, no more URI's on the schedule.

Offense scores 23.6 ppg vs FBS in regulation

Remaining schedule, the defenses are currently ranked 1, 3, 10, 17, 24, and 37. Average of 15.

They've already played 15, 25, 28, 64, 83. Avg of 43

Last year, McF***it got fired after his offense scored 16.75 ppg. Let's just throw out the end of the year because, well, i don't know we'd ever do that but people want to have amnesia so fine.

The difference between the 15th and 43rd scoring defenses is 16.7 ppg and 23 ppg.

It's almost an exact match. we score what the average defense does against 43rd ranked defenses. so lets plug in 16.7 for the rest of the games.

That would work out to 19.8 points per game

If you fire McF***it because they're so stupid in the red zone with a QB who can't throw the ball, do we fire lester for only managing one more FG per game with a QB we are all thrilled about?

I think you do.

George got canned for a lot of things beyond point production.

 

[Millhouse]

I have posted this before but 2014 McDonald we had more yards per game and more yards per play than this year's Lester team.

I think we scored around 24 vs Pitt. I don't think we hit 20 vs FSU, Louisville, or Clemson. I think we could put up 27 against NC State, but BC will be a first team to 10 type of game. I think we score about 20 ppg the rest of the way.

The scheme has not workout out thus far. It pretty much has been hope that Dungey makes something out of nothing. Imagine if Hunt never got hurt? The O would look even worse.

mcdonald was a terrible play caller and an all around dope

but getting people out of the way makes it easier to run than bringing defenders into the box so WR can try to be TE and FB

they ran it 35% better in McDonald's 4 FBS games last year

throw out maryland and they still ran it 11% better.

 

[GoSU96]

mcdonald was a terrible play caller and an all around dope

but getting people out of the way makes it easier to run than bringing defenders into the box so WR can try to be TE and FB

they ran it 35% better in McDonald's 4 FBS games last year

throw out maryland and they still ran it 11% better.

I don't disagree that they need to do better. For a run focused, PTR offense, they haven't been very good at it.

 

[Millhouse]

George got canned for a lot of things beyond point production.

Too bad they didn't keep his offense then

 

[NineOneSeven]

 

[TheCusian]

Too bad they didn't keep his offense then

We actually know exactly what Mcit's offense looks like run by Lester.

 

[SWC75]

When do we fire the fans? If we're going to fire everybody, that's the next logical step.

 

[Millhouse]

When do we fire the fans? If we're going to fire everybody, that's the next logical step.

you should develop your own scoring system for them

 

[dollarbill44]

You might very well fire Lester, but I think Shafer is tied to him. Imo, they either right this ship and stay together or they leave together. At some point, though, SU is going to have to pick a horse and ride it for a little bit to see what we've really got.

 

[K Otto XLIV]

When do we fire the fans? If we're going to fire everybody, that's the next logical step.

We already did. We will average less than 35k per game this year. If Shafer is back next year it could be even worse as we do not have LSU to inflate the numbers.

 

[Chris02M]

We already did. We will average less than 35k per game this year. If Shafer is back next year it could be even worse as we do not have LSU to inflate the numbers.

we do have fsu,louisville(though likely in week 2) and virginia tech though

 

[Millhouse]

small correction - they're at 22.2 points of offense in regulation through 5 fbs games, knocks down the projection to 19.2

if we didn't have defensive TD or OT TD, we'd be 100th in TD against FBS and we'd be 96th in scoring.

 

[Millhouse]

We actually know exactly what Mc. . . . it's offense looks like run by Lester.

so now all the injuries had nothing to do with it. pick a story and stick with it please

 

[TheCusian]

small correction - they're at 22.2 points of offense in regulation through 5 fbs games, knocks down the projection to 19.2 if we didn't have defensive TD or OT TD, we'd be 100th in TD against FBS and we'd be 96th in scoring.

OT TD count for 7 points. Odd to leave it out.

Or are you saying TD's matter in the red zone but not in OT?

 

[TheCusian]

so now all the injuries had nothing to do with it. pick a story and stick with it please

You said we should have left the system but got rid of the guy. I said jokingly that we did and it was a cluster .

I'm not saying the spread offense is crap or it wouldn't work here. You know that's not my position.

Not my fault you missed the irony.

 

[Millhouse]

OT TD count for 7 points. Odd to leave it out.

Or are you saying TD's matter in the red zone but not in OT?

i'm saying that when comparing offenses, it is better to exclude overtime possessions and non-offense scores. because most games don't have extra possessions and defensive scores. ideally i'd back out everyone's OT and non-offensive scores.

pick the sport, it's easier to score more points when the game goes to overtime.

this is not hard

 

[TheCusian]

i'm saying that when comparing offenses, it is better to exclude overtime possessions and non-offense scores. because most games don't have extra possessions and defensive scores. ideally i'd back out everyone's OT and non-offensive scores. pick the sport, it's easier to score more points when the game goes to overtime. this is not hard

And in those sports there isn't an asterisk. Player x scored 38 points. Player y had a hat trick in the game.

Did you find a resource where they remove those from the stats or did you have to do it manually?

I'd bet it's easier to find metrics that remove defensive scores. Because that makes sense. OT TD's are offensive production and should count as such.

 

[Millhouse]

And in those sports there isn't an asterisk. Player x scored 38 points. Player y had a hat trick in the game.

Did you find a resource where they remove those from the stats or did you have to do it manually?

I'd bet it's easier to find metrics that remove defensive scores. Because that makes sense. OT TD's are offensive production and should count as such.

i give up. teams that don't go to overtime and don't have whigham don't have 3 straight drive starts from the 25 in a game. basketball has points per minute stats that corrects for this stuff.

i backed out syracuse's 5 scores, dropped cfbstats in a spreadsheet, divided TDs by number of games for each team. did the same for points.

you can find teams that can move the ball and not score, but you're not going to find teams that score but can't move the ball. everyone here is getting fooled by 4 possessions from the 25 and 2 defensive scores.

 

[orangenauburn]

Running what, 15 fewer plays a game?

Yards are similar, points are up, fewer plays.

The difference is the D has been less stout

 

[TheCusian]

i give up. teams that don't go to overtime and don't have whigham don't have 3 straight drive starts from the 25 in a game. basketball has points per minute stats that corrects for this stuff. i backed out syracuse's 5 scores, dropped cfbstats in a spreadsheet, divided TDs by number of games for each team. did the same for points. you can find teams that can move the ball and not score, but you're not going to find teams that score but can't move the ball. everyone here is getting fooled by 4 possessions from the 25 and 2 defensive scores.

For every team in the FBS or just us?

Because otherwise the ranking is useless.

 

[TheCusian]

i give up. teams that don't go to overtime and don't have whigham don't have 3 straight drive starts from the 25 in a game. basketball has points per minute stats that corrects for this stuff. i backed out syracuse's 5 scores, dropped cfbstats in a spreadsheet, divided TDs by number of games for each team. did the same for points. you can find teams that can move the ball and not score, but you're not going to find teams that score but can't move the ball. everyone here is getting fooled by 4 possessions from the 25 and 2 defensive scores.

Also - not all drives start on the 20. Are we punishing offenses that get short fields due to TO too?

It's fine to say yards usually are related to ppg. But you can't punish teams for scoring when they get the opportunity to.

If you want to give more value to drives that cover a lot of yards in regulation - go for it. But apply that to all teams, not just ours.

 

[SUskibum]

I have posted this before but 2014 McDonald we had more yards per game and more yards per play than this year's Lester team.

Not when looking at Dungey's quarters, we are better this year with him than last year. His improvement will more than make up for the increasing strength of the defenses we will be facing. He just started learning this offense a couple months ago.