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Can someone explain how many offers SU extends now versus previous staffs? Maybe I’m just becoming more aware of offers because of the thoroughness of this site and those who collect/post all of this information. But I’m just astounded at how many kids we offer. Is this way above average compared with other schools? What are the standards?
 
Can someone explain how many offers SU extends now versus previous staffs? Maybe I’m just becoming more aware of offers because of the thoroughness of this site and those who collect/post all of this information. But I’m just astounded at how many kids we offer. Is this way above average compared with other schools? What are the standards?

Dino & crew offer a metric sheet-ton of dudes.
Dramatically more than prior staffs.
And near the top nationally, in terms of volume of offers.

So yes - it's a combo of the AMAZING coverage here (thx to all who make that happen!), and the fact that they have that much more to cover, due to the # of offers.
 
Can someone explain how many offers SU extends now versus previous staffs? Maybe I’m just becoming more aware of offers because of the thoroughness of this site and those who collect/post all of this information. But I’m just astounded at how many kids we offer. Is this way above average compared with other schools? What are the standards?
This staff offers Way, way, way, more than the previous staffs. I was just looking this morning at the 2020s. Currently there are 7 pages of 2020s, just click on the year prefix to see all the offers. I think there are roughly 50 threads per page so currently they have offered around 350 prospects for 2020 alone...and it's only March.
 
Dino & crew offer a metric sheet-ton of dudes.
Dramatically more than prior staffs.
And near the top nationally, in terms of volume of offers.

So yes - it's a combo of the AMAZING coverage here (thx to all who make that happen!), and the fact that they have that much more to cover, due to the # of offers.
I think it's a little easier to follow the recruiting now, even with the larger number of offers, because it's organized a little better than it use to be. Keeping a prospects info all in one thread, instead of everyone starting a new thread any time news comes out, makes it easier to follow the recruitment. And then having a Fishes and Loaves thread and a Recruit and Offers thread helps for quick reference without having to wade through the entire prospect thread.
 
Dino & crew offer a metric sheet-ton of dudes.
Dramatically more than prior staffs.
And near the top nationally, in terms of volume of offers.

So yes - it's a combo of the AMAZING coverage here (thx to all who make that happen!), and the fact that they have that much more to cover, due to the # of offers.
At least you get coverage here...
 
It is really surprising to me that with as good as Clemson has been for so long, there is really as little recruiting coverage as you say.

Does that mean after we win a couple titles, CuseLegacy can sit back and put her feet up? ;)
He'll only be happy if we start a separate Clemson recruiting forum. ;)
 
He'll only be happy if we start a separate Clemson recruiting forum. ;)
Since we're not dealing with college admissions here, I assume bribes are acceptable?
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Can someone explain how many offers SU extends now versus previous staffs? Maybe I’m just becoming more aware of offers because of the thoroughness of this site and those who collect/post all of this information. But I’m just astounded at how many kids we offer. Is this way above average compared with other schools? What are the standards?
The murky world of uncommittable scholarship offer
Cuse is highlighted in this article from a month or so ago.
 
So why do you think SU 'offers' so many players? Marketing, Spreading the SU brand, Competing with the Clemson's of the world...Interesting why the new staff has changed so drastically the notion of what an offer means. 440 offers for 22 players and 109 DB offers for 4 signees. Wonder why.
Maybe Bailey can do a story and ask the coaches.
 
So why do you think SU 'offers' so many players? Marketing, Spreading the SU brand, Competing with the Clemson's of the world...Interesting why the new staff has changed so drastically the notion of what an offer means. 440 offers for 22 players and 109 DB offers for 4 signees. Wonder why.
Maybe Bailey can do a story and ask the coaches.

Simple. We’re not a “selector school”.

So we’ve gotta work the room a lot more, cast a much wider net to try to attract potential talent.

Given that we’re pretty much only offering high 3* & 4* guys, I’m sure the staff would happily take whomever is the first to commit at any given position group.

So, I’d imagine they’re all technically “commitable”;
but we’re clearly only taking X # of guys at any given position, it’s first come, first served.
 
Simple. We’re not a “selector school”.

So we’ve gotta work the room a lot more, cast a much wider net to try to attract potential talent.

Given that we’re pretty much only offering high 3* & 4* guys, I’m sure the staff would happily take whomever is the first to commit at any given position group.

So, I’d imagine they’re all technically “commitable”;
but we’re clearly only taking X # of guys at any given position, it’s first come, first served.
Plus...since we don't really have a recruiting territory we have to offer more kids
 
Simple. We’re not a “selector school”.

So we’ve gotta work the room a lot more, cast a much wider net to try to attract potential talent.

Given that we’re pretty much only offering high 3* & 4* guys, I’m sure the staff would happily take whomever is the first to commit at any given position group.

So, I’d imagine they’re all technically “commitable”;
but we’re clearly only taking X # of guys at any given position, it’s first come, first served.
No. They aren't all committable. Some offers are made a year or two out from the current recruiting class to a kid, because of NCAA recruiting rules, that all the coaches have seen is tape. A lot of those kids they want to come for a visit or/and camp before their recruiting class year. If kids don't come to visit/camp they are passed over. Coaches want to see and meet these kids in person for "evaluation". Evaluation isn't just their athletic ability.

And then there are the academics. The coaches can't do academic evaluations, again because of NCAA recruiting rules, until designated time periods during the prospects Senior year and they are limited into how many of these evaluations they can do.. If a kid can't qualify academically for SU the offer isn't committable.
 
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Plus...since we don't really have a recruiting territory we have to offer more kids
They have recruiting territories. It's that territories can change depending on the talent available and needs. Looking at offers and visitors the territories are FL, MA, NY, PA, NJ, MD, VA, GA with some TX and Midwest thrown in.
 
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It is really surprising to me that with as good as Clemson has been for so long, there is really as little recruiting coverage as you say.

Does that mean after we win a couple titles, CuseLegacy can sit back and put her feet up? ;)
It's been a real struggle...
 
This staff offers Way, way, way, more than the previous staffs. I was just looking this morning at the 2020s. Currently there are 7 pages of 2020s, just click on the year prefix to see all the offers. I think there are roughly 50 threads per page so currently they have offered around 350 prospects for 2020 alone...and it's only March.


The thing is, though, that they are on the road a ton, and they go visit all the best programs and get to know the coaches. Most of their focus seems to have been down south the first couple years, but I was very impressed / surprised at the number of NJ, PA and OH players who came to junior days or unofficial visits for the Duke game and a couple other games. These guys are really pulling in a lot of players to look at.

It doesn't just strike me as throw it all against the wall. They won't let you commit without a visit. They hold their camps and promote them well. They even traveled and had camps in the DC/VA area and also down in NYC / NJ the last couple years. So they cast a wider net than we are used to, but they are out there working VERY VERY HARD on the recruiting trail, and they are getting a lot of kids in to have a look at in person.
 
The thing is, though, that they are on the road a ton, and they go visit all the best programs and get to know the coaches. Most of their focus seems to have been down south the first couple years, but I was very impressed / surprised at the number of NJ, PA and OH players who came to junior days or unofficial visits for the Duke game and a couple other games. These guys are really pulling in a lot of players to look at.

It doesn't just strike me as throw it all against the wall. They won't let you commit without a visit. They hold their camps and promote them well. They even traveled and had camps in the DC/VA area and also down in NYC / NJ the last couple years. So they cast a wider net than we are used to, but they are out there working VERY VERY HARD on the recruiting trail, and they are getting a lot of kids in to have a look at in person.
Read my follow up posts...I agree with you with one minor exception. They aren't allowed to have off campus camps. The camps you see them participating at are camps of other schools.
 
Read my follow up posts...I agree with you with one minor exception. They aren't allowed to have off campus camps. The camps you see them participating at are camps of other schools.


Yeah, OK, but they've figured out a way to do them.
No other staff I'm aware of has ever done that.
 
No. Lots of staffs do it. You see coaches participating at the camps of other schools all camp season.


Not ours, that was my point. Dino learned this somewhere else.
 
Keep in mind that a lot of kids that get offers, committable or not, end up choosing another school well before signing day. There are a least a half dozen kids on the front page of the recruiting forum who had offers from us who are no longer considering SU. Not sure what difference it makes how many offers we put out there. In the end the staff knows how many kids they can sign in a given year and manage the offers accordingly as spots fill up.
 
Not ours, that was my point. Dino learned this somewhere else.

No. This is more of a response to Harbaugh holding a camp in Florida and the NCAA and SEC schools having a fit about it. Instead staffs can participate in the camps of other lower division schools, just like they always utilize staff of those schools at their camps. The camps they participated at in the past few years were Fordham, Wayne St, Mercer, Howard. They aren't going to find a lot of D1 football players at those camps unless one of the kids they offered lives in the area. They prefer the kids to come to SU campus to camp.
 
A lot of offers are given out as an "introduction" between the school and the player. Schools want to make prospects aware that there could be interest but certain criteria and qualifications must be met, be that scouting, camp participation, grades, etc.
 
A lot of offers are given out as an "introduction" between the school and the player. Schools want to make prospects aware that there could be interest but certain criteria and qualifications must be met, be that scouting, camp participation, grades, etc.


Yes, I agree. But I don't think our guys do it without a lot of thought. They have measurables in mind. They look at sophomore and junior tapes. They get them up here for unofficial visits and junior days. It just all seems much more organized and social media savvy than they ever have done before.

I remember under Doug Marrone, they made a big deal out of the coaches all sitting around a table writing hand written notes to prospects. Wow - do people even READ letters anymore? Then under Shafer, Coach McCool tried to use social media, but was an amateur at it. Look at the consistently pleasing graphics we put out. We are at the very cutting edge of cool right now. Dino is so hot, and so good on TV.

A lot of their offers are going to kids at traditionally strong HS programs, where we can make an inroad and get the "second tier" guys from that school, when the elite guys from that HS might go to a factory school like ND, Alabama, Clemson, Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan, etc.

And the coaches have generally been to these schools a few times, and are getting known by the coaches. Give some second tiers kids a chance from a great HS, treat the kid well and he develops into a contributor in a couple years, and that coach is going to tell his next star players that your school is worth a look, "look how well they developed that guy".

And of course the camps are very important. They want to see these players in person before they let them commit. I love our approach right now.
 
A lot of offers are given out as an "introduction" between the school and the player. Schools want to make prospects aware that there could be interest but certain criteria and qualifications must be met, be that scouting, camp participation, grades, etc.
I equate those verbal offers to invitations to Sorority Rush. ;)
 
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