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Message: [QUOTE="RF2044, post: 328208, member: 40"] And my point is: if hypothetically Bernie were actually guilty of what those four accusers claimed and JB had known and looked the other way while Bernie buggered little boys, then he would have been as big of a monster as JoePa and summarily deserved to lose his job, and the program would HAVE to be sanctioned for allowing it to happen. There simply is no other conclusion that is rational [a key point, and the basis of my PedSt criticism below]. That doesn't mean I'd be happy about the sanctions or the program taking a dip, but I'd certainly recognize--and I'd like to think that other SU fans would, as well, despite what you suggest--that the heinous nature of what went on [U]justified[/U] why we were getting penalized. My issue with the PedState fanbase is NOT that they are expressing anger, but rather that their anger is misplaced. The majority--not all, but the majority--refuse to accept that JoePa is guilty of wrongdoing. And the irrational opinion being expressed by a significant portion of that fanbase feel that the program is being victimized more than the children who were sexually molested. And it is this culture that facilitated decades of abuse to be tolerated so that the program wouldn't be tarnished. That last point is what people are being critical of. The current behavior of the collective fanbase demonstrates the ugly side of their culture, and why the sanctions that were imposed--as draconian as you make them out to be--probably didn't go far enough, or at least aren't sufficient to change the culture in needed ways. Edit: I want to address your point about the lax title being retroactively invalidated, and SU fans' reaction to it. I think the resistance is based more upon the severity of the penalty as a function of the nature of the infraction [Mrs. Simmons co-signing a car loan for a used car that Paul Gait paid for entirely on his own, with no other improper benefit besides the co-signing]. I don't think any SU lax fan feels like penalties of some kind weren't warranted. But even so, the nature of that specific infraction pales in comparison / magnitude to what went on at PedSt. [/QUOTE]

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