OK if Temple can bring its FB Program out from the sewer

[Halfmooncuse]

it is not unreasonable to believe that SU can not do the same. So why is Temple relatively successful and SU is not?

 

[Blaster]

There schedule is easier? FWIW we beat toledo and toledo blew them out. They also lost to Bowling green , ohio, and penn state. So while there record is better they lost to the 4 best teams on there schedule. Their only good win was Maryland and maryland went 2-10.

 

[Whitey23]

it is not unreasonable to believe that SU can not do the same. So why is Temple relatively successful and SU is not?

Golden is a great coach?

 

[GoSU96]

it is not unreasonable to believe that SU can not do the same. So why is Temple relatively successful and SU is not?

What did I miss? Did the prior 8-5 season actually not happen?

What is the matter with people.

 

[007]

Nice job this year, but jury is still out on Addazio. Golden built the program.

 

[Halfmooncuse]

What did I miss? Did the prior 8-5 season actually not happen?

What is the matter with people.

Do you think this season was relatively sucessful
? Being at the Bottom of the worst BCS conference is not a benchmark of sucess. What is your prediction for next year? As bad as SU season was it could have been even worst without the come from behind wins, the phantom extra point etc. Love the discipline too. On the field, in the locker room and off the field. Drink the cool aid. In 1959 we won the national championship so don't bring up the past to evaluate the present. We still are at the bottom.

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

Do you think this season was relatively sucessful
? Being at the Bottom of the worst BCS conference is not a benchmark of sucess. What is your prediction for next year? As bad as SU season was it could have been even worst without the come from behind wins, the phantom extra point etc. Love the discipline too. On the field, in the locker room and off the field. Drink the cool aid. In 1959 we won the national championship so don't bring up the past to evaluate the present. We still are at the bottom.

What do you expect? Here are Al Golden's first three years at Temple:

2006: 1-11
2007: 4-8
2008: 5-7

Temple didn't get there overnight and we're playing better teams than they do. The worst BCS conference is still a more difficult place to win than in the MAC.

 

[OrangePA]

it is not unreasonable to believe that SU can not do the same. So why is Temple relatively successful and SU is not?

First, this year marks the fifth year since the Al Golden reclamation project began.

Second, Temple has the ability to bring in kids SU can't accept.

Third, Temple plays in the MAC - a good conference, but one that allows for success more quickly.

Fourth, SU went to a bowl game last year and won.

Fifth, Temple's win this year was the first since 1979.

Sixth, we are on our way.

 

[OrangePA]

Do you think this season was relatively sucessful
? Being at the Bottom of the worst BCS conference is not a benchmark of sucess. What is your prediction for next year? As bad as SU season was it could have been even worst without the come from behind wins, the phantom extra point etc. Love the discipline too. On the field, in the locker room and off the field. Drink the cool aid. In 1959 we won the national championship so don't bring up the past to evaluate the present. We still are at the bottom.

This season was a progression in the development of the program.

I think 55 of the 85 players on the roster are very young.

Indeed, we played many, many frosh and sophomores this year - especially on defense.

This nonsense that we read here so much that we "are the worst team in the worst BCS conference" is meaningless

When Marrone started her we were way behind Rutgers, UConn, Pitt, WVU, Cincy, Louisville and the rest in terms of overall talent level.

It takes a while for a team's talent level to change.

And despite the fact that Pitt and Rutgers still have more talent than we do - UConn has more talent in many areas - we could have and should have won all three of those games.

We could very easily be 8-4 right now.

So, you can look at the glass as half empty - I prefer to look at it as half full.

I am convinced that we are headed in the right direction - that we have a long way to go - that we need even more financial support - but Marrone will get it done.

 

[Cuseman78]

it is not unreasonable to believe that SU can not do the same. So why is Temple relatively successful and SU is not?

Oh For the love of god, we were 8-5 last year. Talk about short-term memories

 

[ImperialOrange]

Temple has better football facilities than SU does... I kid you not. They aren't spectacular but it is football specific and was built in 2000.

http://www.owlsports.com/sports/2009/8/31/FB_0831092204.aspx?path=football

Also, they play in the Linc and Philly is probably a preference vs Syracuse as a city that college kids want to hang out in. Regardless, we aren't losing any recruiting battles to Temple. Their 2nd leading WR (JUCO transfer) would be at Syracuse if we could've gotten him past admissions.

Doesn't much matter though, Temple is not better than Syracuse even at this point. We played one common opponent whom we beat and they got housed by. Replace any BE team we lost to with Temple this year and we would be bowl eligible.

 

[OrangePA]

Temple has better football facilities than SU does... I kid you not. They aren't spectacular but it is football specific and was built in 2000.

http://www.owlsports.com/sports/2009/8/31/FB_0831092204.aspx?path=football

Also, they play in the Linc and Philly is probably a preference vs Syracuse as a city that college kids want to hang out in. Regardless, we aren't losing any recruiting battles to Temple. Their 2nd leading WR (JUCO transfer) would be at Syracuse if we could've gotten him past admissions.

Doesn't much matter though, Temple is not better than Syracuse even at this point. We played one common opponent whom we beat and they got housed by. Replace any BE team we lost to with Temple this year and we would be bowl eligible.

Actually, that's not true.

The Temple Football Facility is pretty awful - nowhere near as nice as the SU Facility.

And I think you would be floored if you saw the neighborhood in North Philly where Temple Football resides.

The Linc is obviously a very nice football venue, but the atmosphere there for a Temple game is very quiet - the Carrier Dome is a much better college football facility.

Having said that, we are still nowhere near where we have to be - an upgrade in the football infrastructure is a must.

 

[ImperialOrange]

Actually, that's not true.

The Temple Football Facility is pretty awful - nowhere near as nice as the SU Facility.

And I think you would be floored if you saw the neighborhood in North Philly where Temple Football resides.

The Linc is obviously a very nice football venue, but the atmosphere there for a Temple game is very quiet - the Carrier Dome is a much better college football facility.

Having said that, we are still nowhere near where we have to be - an upgrade in the football infrastructure is a must.

Ive never seen their nor our football facilities first hand so just doing a picture camparison. I work less than an hour from Philly and have never had the slightest desire to see them play even if it is a chance to get into the Linc for cheap.

Regardless, I stand by the rest. Temple isn't a better football team than SU right now, and we aren't losing any recruits to them.

 

[ClkWrkOrange]

This season was a progression in the development of the program.

We could very easily be 8-4 right now.

Could just as easily be 1-11.

 

[javadoc]

What did I miss? Did the prior 8-5 season actually not happen?

My expectation is that we will improve one win per year up to the program's ceiling. Changes in infrastructure and/or coaches will affect the ceiling.

If we had stayed in the BE, I would expect we would see records of 4-8 (taking it as the starting point for what current staff inherited), 5-7, 6-6, 7-5, etc. 2nd year we were +2 as we had tremendous senior leadership and a lucky break in that the rest of the conference was waaaaay down. This year we were -1, as another bad year in conference could not overcome the lack of leadership and other internal issues with the team.

Before you jump on me to compare only conference record year by year, and see the progression there, forget it. I expect overall record to increase, regardless of what happens in conference. If that trends the right way, the conference record will follow it (on average).

So next year I am expecting 7-5. Probably there will still be a meltdown and calls to fire Marrone.

 

[GoSU96]

Do you think this season was relatively sucessful
? Being at the Bottom of the worst BCS conference is not a benchmark of sucess. What is your prediction for next year? As bad as SU season was it could have been even worst without the come from behind wins, the phantom extra point etc. Love the discipline too. On the field, in the locker room and off the field. Drink the cool aid. In 1959 we won the national championship so don't bring up the past to evaluate the present. We still are at the bottom.

It's better than being one of the worst programs in all of Division 1. This program has come a long way, and still has a long way to go, if it's not fast enough for you, too bad.

 

[MadNY3]

This program has come a long way, and still has a long way to go, if it's not fast enough for you, too bad.

Good Lord, eeaasssssyyyy.

This team - including Marrone - VASTLY underachieved this year. Not fast enough is one thing...going in reverse a bit is another.

1-6 in the worst BCS conference with 9 starters on an offense that didn't do its job under an offensive-background coach is a concern.

Winning programs don't make the excuses so many on this board are making for why we should be so accepting of this season.

 

[Halfmooncuse]

It's better than being one of the worst programs in all of Division 1. This program has come a long way, and still has a long way to go, if it's not fast enough for you, too bad.

The fact that we even can be compararing SU to Temple is deplorable. That TEMPLE football!

 

[qdawgg]

The fact that we even can be compararing SU to Temple is deplorable. That TEMPLE football!

Just because someone created the thread doesn't make it logical. I could start a thread titled "How did SU brings itself out of the depths of hell and become competitive with the likes of USC". What's deplorable is that you thought the thread was logical enough to be deplorable.

 

[Chip]

Good Lord, eeaasssssyyyy.

This team - including Marrone - VASTLY underachieved this year. Not fast enough is one thing...going in reverse a bit is another.

1-6 in the worst BCS conference with 9 starters on an offense that didn't do its job under an offensive-background coach is a concern.

Winning programs don't make the excuses so many on this board are making for why we should be so accepting of this season.

Well said, one can be reasonable and see this year wasn't good, it wasn't much different than 2009. Wasn't even that much different (in results, the part that counts) than 2008. Our fortune in beating the MAC team this year is the biggest difference.

Hopefully we're building something, and hopefully the ACC helps ensure that happens. Hard to be convinced right now though. Don't want this to be the case, but some might need to eventually accept that we were running in place. Can't blame the last guy forever.

 

[Scooch]

Well said, one can be reasonable and see this year wasn't good, it wasn't much different than 2009. Wasn't even that much different (in results, the part that counts) than 2008. Our fortune in beating the MAC team this year is the biggest difference.

Hopefully we're building something, and hopefully the ACC helps ensure that happens. Hard to be convinced right now though. Don't want this to be the case, but some might need to eventually accept that we were running in place. Can't blame the last guy forever.

What the hell are you talking about?

There were charts. The lines went up.

That's all I need to know.

Up!

 

[Halfmooncuse]

Just because someone created the thread doesn't make it logical. I could start a thread titled "How did SU brings itself out of the depths of hell and become competitive with the likes of USC". What's deplorable is that you thought the thread was logical enough to be deplorable.

Ok You should be chairman of the boards Prior Approval to Create Thread Committe. Logical?

 

[OrangeZone]

it is not unreasonable to believe that SU can not do the same. So why is Temple relatively successful and SU is not?

4 years of Al Golden and 1 of Addazio; good recruiting and coaching. Time is essentially the difference (from where we stand now) Only time will tell us if we are able to do what Temple has done. (with our current HC)

 

[OrangePA]

Could just as easily be 1-11.

Brilliant.

 

[GoSU96]

The fact that we even can be compararing SU to Temple is deplorable. That TEMPLE football!

You're the one doing the comparing. So Temple finally made some good hires and they had a winning record in year 4.

This season is year SIX in their rebuild, as in TWICE as long as Marrone has been at Syracuse. In Golden's first three years they went 1-11, 4-8, 5-7.

There's a reason why it's called a rebuilding PROCESS.