Oklahoma State...

[bpo57]

Normally Herbstreit makes reasonable sense but OK State at #4? Nuts.

They played three hideous non conference foes. They were life and death with some very mediocre teams in the B12. The only quality win was over TCU and they're just not anywhere near as good as they were last year as evidenced by their huge struggle with Kansas last week. I watched OSU play ISU this weekend. Lucky as hell to win that game and really unimpressive.

 

[Chip]

Normally Herbstreit makes reasonable sense but OK State at #4? Nuts.

They played three hideous non conference foes. They were life and death with some very mediocre teams in the B12. The only quality win was over TCU and they're just not anywhere near as good as they were last year as evidenced by their huge struggle with Kansas last week. I watched OSU play ISU this weekend. Lucky as hell to win that game and really unimpressive.

I don't get too worked up about these when they will be worked out, the odds that Oklahoma State's luck runs out is very high. I can't see them staying within 2 TDs of Oklahoma right now.

There's basically 9 teams fighting for 4 spots. Of those 9 teams, there are several head to head matchups coming (Bama - Florida, Oklahoma State - OU, Michigan State - Ohio State, with the winner then playing Iowa). I left Baylor out for now, but they play Oklahoma State this weekend, so one of them is out of the running come Saturday.

Clemson obviously controls its destiny. A potential 12-1 ACC Champ UNC has basically no chance being at #17 right now.

Then there's ND. What to do about ND should they beat Stanford.

 

[bpo57]

I don't get too worked up about these when they will be worked out, the odds that Oklahoma State's luck runs out is very high. I can't see them staying within 2 TDs of Oklahoma right now.

There's basically 9 teams fighting for 4 spots. Of those 9 teams, there are several head to head matchups coming (Bama - Florida, Oklahoma State - OU, Michigan State - Ohio State, with the winner then playing Iowa). I left Baylor out for now, but they play Oklahoma State this weekend, so one of them is out of the running come Saturday.

Clemson obviously controls its destiny. A potential 12-1 ACC Champ UNC has basically no chance being at #17 right now.

Then there's ND. What to do about ND should they beat Stanford.

I agree with pretty much everything you say. If UNC beats Clemson impressively then they may have a shot because all of the other potential carnage you described in your post. That said, the Heels would need a few things to break their way. Chairman Long seemed to endorse ND by saying they were a solid #4. If they play very well during the next two weeks then they're in unless OkSt goes undefeated. ND has that Texas edge on OU that will be hard for the Sooners to overcome. On an overall basis I think OU is the only B12 squad worthy of consideration for the F4.

 

[Chip]

I agree with pretty much everything you say. If UNC beats Clemson impressively then they may have a shot because all of the other potential carnage you described in your post. That said, the Heels would need a few things to break their way. Chairman Long seemed to endorse ND by saying they were a solid #4. If they play very well during the next two weeks then they're in unless OkSt goes undefeated. ND has that Texas edge on OU that will be hard for the Sooners to overcome. On an overall basis I think OU is the only B12 squad worthy of consideration for the F4.

Something unexpected always happens so I'm sure it will this year. But should Clemson, Alabama, Ohio State, ND and Oklahoma all win out, that decision on team #4 is going to be really interesting.

ND's positives are common opponent of Texas and that they're ND, so all the attention and eyeballs that brings.

ND's disadvantages are that no one else on their schedule, except their loss, has held up their end of the bargain. No super signature win, especially with Stanford losing to Oregon. I also think the committee will weigh the rematch with Clemson as a negative to having them in.

Oklahoma isn't the same name as Baylor or TCU so I wouldn't expect them to get identical treatment as last year's Big 12. Their last win, could come over Okie State (although they should have scheduled that for conf championship week for effect). And they'd have the buzz as they have right now. That team and Baker Mayfield are all the talk in college football right now, so the way they are playing might forgive them of the Texas fiasco.

That conversation would take up 99% of the final meeting minutes.

 

[TheCusian]

At least if ND get's left out they'll have their independence intact. Do the players get a trophy for that?

 

[Alsacs]

Notre Dame wins out they are in. I don't think unbeaten Oklahoma State jumps them or 1 loss Oklahoma.

1. Clemson could become Ohio State if they win out.
2. Alabama
3. Ohio State/Clemson
4. Notre Dame
I think Clemson will play B1G champ and Alabama/Florida will play ND as the CFB committee will to avoid a rematch in the Semis and won't want Bama-Ohio State again to protect that for the championship game.

Win out and your in: Iowa, Michigan State, Florida.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Notre Dame wins out they are in. I don't think unbeaten Oklahoma State jumps them or 1 loss Oklahoma.

1. Clemson could become Ohio State if they win out.
2. Alabama
3. Ohio State/Clemson
4. Notre Dame
I think Clemson will play B1G champ and Alabama/Florida will play ND as the CFB committee will to avoid a rematch in the Semis and won't want Bama-Ohio State again to protect that for the championship game.

Win out and your in: Iowa, Michigan State, Florida.

Agreed on ND, they win out with a win OTR versus Stanford they wont be left out. Only loss to the #1 team. Stanford will be tough

 

[TheCusian]

Agreed on ND, they win out with a win OTR versus Stanford they wont be left out. Only loss to the #1 team. Stanford will be tough

Their SOS might end up being weaker than Oklahoma by the end. Could be a close call.

 

[Briancuse]

If Notre Dame doesn't get in, it won't be because they are an ind, it will be because of a weak schedule. If Ou runs the table they should get in, they would have road wins against Ten, Baylor,and Okla st, and another win against Tcu.

 

[bpo57]

At least if ND get's left out they'll have their independence intact. Do the players get a trophy for that?

Hasn't hurt them so far.

 

[bpo57]

Something unexpected always happens so I'm sure it will this year. But should Clemson, Alabama, Ohio State, ND and Oklahoma all win out, that decision on team #4 is going to be really interesting.

ND's positives are common opponent of Texas and that they're ND, so all the attention and eyeballs that brings.

ND's disadvantages are that no one else on their schedule, except their loss, has held up their end of the bargain. No super signature win, especially with Stanford losing to Oregon. I also think the committee will weigh the rematch with Clemson as a negative to having them in.

Oklahoma isn't the same name as Baylor or TCU so I wouldn't expect them to get identical treatment as last year's Big 12. Their last win, could come over Okie State (although they should have scheduled that for conf championship week for effect). And they'd have the buzz as they have right now. That team and Baker Mayfield are all the talk in college football right now, so the way they are playing might forgive them of the Texas fiasco.

That conversation would take up 99% of the final meeting minutes.

Agree with al of that but would add that the Committee can easily get creative if they want to avoid that rematch btw Clemson and ND. Long said the Committee considered having Bama jump Clemson this week. If the Tide keeps rolling then they always have that option.

 

[Alsacs]

If Notre Dame doesn't get in, it won't be because they are an ind, it will be because of a weak schedule. If Ou runs the table they should get in, they would have road wins against Ten, Baylor,and Okla st, and another win against Tcu.

OU will not get in if ND wins out. Texas loss kills OU vs. ND. Committee factors in common opponents. OU lost to Texas and ND destroyed Texas. If OU is 11-1 and ND is 11-1 ND is getting in.
Oklahoma State at 12-0 vs. ND at 11-1 the committee is likely going ND over Oklahoma State.

 

[Alsacs]

Agree with al of that but would add that the Committee can easily get creative if they want to avoid that rematch btw Clemson and ND. Long said the Committee considered having Bama jump Clemson this week. If the Tide keeps rolling then they always have that option.

If Ohio State beats #9 Michigan State, #12 Michigan, #5 Iowa they will jump Clemson. If Alabama wins out they will jump Clemson. If everyone wins out.
Orange Bowl #1 Ohio State vs. #4 Notre Dame
Cotton Bowl # 2 Alabama vs. #3 Clemson

 

[TheCusian]

OU will not get in if ND wins out. Texas loss kills OU vs. ND. Committee factors in common opponents. OU lost to Texas and ND destroyed Texas. If OU is 11-1 and ND is 11-1 ND is getting in.
Oklahoma State at 12-0 vs. ND at 11-1 the committee is likely going ND over Oklahoma State.

Yeah - I'd say that this is more likely. If both teams win out, the quality of their losses is the separation. But a win over Okie State > a win over Stanford at this point. Might be close.

 

[bpo57]

Yeah - I'd say that this is more likely. If both teams win out, the quality of their losses is the separation. But a win over Okie State > a win over Stanford at this point. Might be close.

Is it really, though? Look at OSU's schedule. They've played a ton of really weak teams and basically struggled with all of them. To their credit they haven't stubbed their toes yet but the SOS has been hideous so far.

 

[TerryD]

At least if ND get's left out they'll have their independence intact. Do the players get a trophy for that?

You seem to care a lot about ND's status, despite your protests to the contrary.

 

[TerryD]

If Notre Dame doesn't get in, it won't be because they are an ind, it will be because of a weak schedule. If Ou runs the table they should get in, they would have road wins against Ten, Baylor,and Okla st, and another win against Tcu.

If the rankings hold, Navy would finish the regular season having played more top 25 teams (ND, Memphis, Houston) than Ohio State (MSU, UM).




Brian Fremeau ‏@bcfremeau 10h10 hours ago


FEI SOS to date rank for @CFBPlayoff top 7:


8. Notre Dame
27. Alabama
70. Oklahoma
71. Clemson
94. Oklahoma St
107. Iowa
118. Ohio St

Two wins vs @CFBPlayoff top 25:


1.Clemson (2-0) 2.Alabama (2-1) 4.Notre Dame (2-1) 5.Iowa (2-0) 9.MSU (2-0) 13.Utah (2-1) NR Arkansas (2-1).

Guess these two teams:

Team A- Always described as having a "great resume".

Beat the #15 team. Beat the #25 team. Lost to the #22 team at HOME. Still have to play #8


Team B- Supposedly doesn't control their own destiny.

Beat the #16 team. Beat the #24 team. Lost to the #1 team on the road. Still have to play #11.


Team A = Alabama

Team B = ND

 

[longislandcuse]

UNC is getting completely disrespected by the committee.

I was ready to give them a benefit of the doubt when he brought up their difficult to evaluate schedule but when the head of the committee mentioned Bama at 1 being discussed due to eye test, well if eye test is a criteria, why tf is UNC 17!?

 

[Alsacs]

If the rankings hold, Navy would finish the regular season having played more top 25 teams (ND, Memphis, Houston) than Ohio State (MSU, UM).




Brian Fremeau ‏@bcfremeau 10h10 hours ago


FEI SOS to date rank for @CFBPlayoff top 7:


8. Notre Dame
27. Alabama
70. Oklahoma
71. Clemson
94. Oklahoma St
107. Iowa
118. Ohio St

Two wins vs @CFBPlayoff top 25:


1.Clemson (2-0) 2.Alabama (2-1) 4.Notre Dame (2-1) 5.Iowa (2-0) 9.MSU (2-0) 13.Utah (2-1) NR Arkansas (2-1).

Guess these two teams:

Team A- Always described as having a "great resume".

Beat the #15 team. Beat the #25 team. Lost to the #22 team at HOME. Still have to play #8


Team B- Supposedly doesn't control their own destiny.

Beat the #16 team. Beat the #24 team. Lost to the #1 team on the road. Still have to play #11.


Team A = Alabama

Team B = ND

The committee uses the Eye Test. Alabama wins the eye test over anybody.

Also Bama beat Georgia(7-3) on the road, Tennessee and Arkansas 6-4. Alabama will also play a 13th game which ND won't. If it came down to ND vs. Alabama and both won out. Alabama has the better resume EVERY time.

 

[Alsacs]

UNC is getting completely disrespected by the committee.

I was ready to give them a benefit of the doubt when he brought up their difficult to evaluate schedule but when the head of the committee mentioned Bama at 1 being discussed due to eye test, well if eye test is a criteria, why tf is UNC 17!?

UNC is being killed for a bad loss and the fact the Coastal is a dumpster fire and they played an extra FCS team over a scrub FBS team. If UNC ends up 11-1 they will be top 10 for Championship week. Michigan/Michigan State/Stanford/LSU/Utah/Florida or Florida State are all going to lose games.

 

[elimunelson]

I'm a man I'm 40!!!!

ND is losing this weekend to BC. It is such a goofy game that it's bound to create an upset.

 

[longislandcuse]

UNC is being killed for a bad loss and the fact the Coastal is a dumpster fire and they played an extra FCS team over a scrub FBS team. If UNC ends up 11-1 they will be top 10 for Championship week. Michigan/Michigan State/Stanford/LSU/Utah/Florida or Florida State are all going to lose games.

For ACC respectability I would love to see a Top 10 UNC vs a #1 Clemson for the ACC Championship.

 

[Briancuse]

UNC is being killed for a bad loss and the fact the Coastal is a dumpster fire and they played an extra FCS team over a scrub FBS team. If UNC ends up 11-1 they will be top 10 for Championship week. Michigan/Michigan State/Stanford/LSU/Utah/Florida or Florida State are all going to lose games.

Where is Unc's signature win? Pitt. They don't have the resume to deserve being discussed.

 

[wfschrec]

The committee uses the Eye Test. Alabama wins the eye test over anybody.

Also Bama beat Georgia(7-3) on the road, Tennessee and Arkansas 6-4. Alabama will also play a 13th game which ND won't. If it came down to ND vs. Alabama and both won out. Alabama has the better resume EVERY time.

^^ This is exactly why ND will finish behind Bama if both wins out.

 

[Alsacs]

Where is Unc's signature win? Pitt. They don't have the resume to deserve being discussed.

What is Ohio State's signature win right now?
If UNC goes 11-1 they will move up to the top 10 and if they beat #1 Clemson they would be in the discussion for top 4.