Oklahoma, Texas, notre dame to ACC..

[bothsocksup]

just caught the end of an interview on college sports nation on Sirius. Apparently these are real possibilities

 

[MaxwellCuse]

Because nothing says "Atlantic Coast" like Oklahoma.

 

[GoSU96]

Because nothing says "Atlantic Coast" like Oklahoma.

What ocean ports does Kentucky have?

ND is already in.

Texas and OU have more than enough money to cover travel costs.

 

[jr4750]

Thought with OK you had to take OSU and likewise with Texas, TTU?

 

[Toga]

No UConn?

 

[Cuse'91]

So stupid...
UT and a bunch of no names make a P5 conference. Both could join Pac12 and be content financially as well...

 

[longtimefan]

What ocean ports does Kentucky have?

ND is already in.

Texas and OU have more than enough money to cover travel costs.

How about SU's costs to send teams to Austin and Norman?

 

[HtownOrange]

Thought with OK you had to take OSU and likewise with Texas, TTU?

Both schools and states have dispelled that media myth but people like the Dude and Frank. T. Tank keep it alive, click bait and it makes their non-sense predictions easier to sell if there exists "fixed" requirements. To be sure, Texas Blech and OkieState would like this to be true. Making a softer landing for little brothers would help UT and OU but neither will be dragged down by the same.

That said, the ACC (or any other conference) would be foolish to neglect this type of opportunity, but it isn't likely to happen unless UT and OU want it to happen.

ND is purely solo, they can do as they wish.

I would not put money on either prediction. It sounds more like speculation heading into spring talks.

 

[texascpa]

Why would Oklahoma join the same conference in which Texas is in when Texas is the reason Oklahoma may bolt?

 

[SU2NASA]

I'm hearing Oklahoma to the Big Ten is imminent.

 

[jr4750]

Why would Oklahoma join the same conference in which Texas is in when Texas is the reason Oklahoma may bolt?

Far too rational a statement for internet message board rumblings. It's mass chaos out here, and SU will be left out in the dark. Bank on it!

 

[HtownOrange]

Why would Oklahoma join the same conference in which Texas is in when Texas is the reason Oklahoma may bolt?

Because we sports fans are not able to reason the facts even though they stare us in the face. We are mere peons destined to read the incessant nonsense and drivel written by sports writers designed to drive viewership to what is written without consideration to truth, facts and common sense.

Oh, yeah, we are also supposed to believe everything we read on the web because everything on the web is true. Didn't you get the memo?

 

[Toga]

Because we sports fans are not able to reason the facts even though they stare us in the face. We are mere peons destined to read the incessant nonsense and drivel written by sports writers designed to drive viewership to what is written without consideration to truth, facts and common sense.

Oh, yeah, we are also supposed to believe everything we read on the web because everything on the web is true. Didn't you get the memo?

Which is another way of saying that Texas is in fact headed to the ACC.

 

[texascpa]

Which is another way of saying that Texas is in fact headed to the ACC.

And Oklahoma hanging onto their coattails.

 

[orangefog]

People are overlooking the most important question. Do either Texas or Oklahoma have a men's lacrosse team?

 

[HtownOrange]

People are overlooking the most important question. Do either Texas or Oklahoma have a men's lacrosse team?

there are enough high schoolers playing to field a team at Texas.

 

[texascpa]

there are enough high schoolers playing to field a team at Texas.

And some very good ones. Brandon Mullins comes to mind.

That said, Lacrosse is not officially recognized by the UIL specifically because the overwhelming number of football coaches don't want it to be. They fear that football players will either 1) get hurt playing lacrosse or 2) make lacrosse their full-time sport.

 

[HtownOrange]

And some very good ones. Brandon Mullins comes to mind.

That said, Lacrosse is not officially recognized by the UIL specifically because the overwhelming number of football coaches don't want it to be. They fear that football players will either 1) get hurt playing lacrosse or 2) make lacrosse their full-time sport.

Sad but true. Didn't Mullins have offers for middle linebacker from basically every school? If I recall, most of the big names wanted him in football.

Still, kids are playing in the non- sanctioned leagues because they love the game. Football coaches would do well to simply recognize the sport and move on, there are so many good athletes in Texas, it won't hurt the state in the long run. Besides, kids here play one sport from a young age unlike the Northeast. Also, kids train nearly year round in their one sport, also unlike the Northeast. Texas football and baseball would not be hurt.

 

[texascpa]

Sad but true. Didn't Mullins have offers for middle linebacker from basically every school? If I recall, most of the big names wanted him in football.

Still, kids are playing in the non- sanctioned leagues because they love the game. Football coaches would do well to simply recognize the sport and move on, there are so many good athletes in Texas, it won't hurt the state in the long run. Besides, kids here play one sport from a young age unlike the Northeast. Also, kids train nearly year round in their one sport, also unlike the Northeast. Texas football and baseball would not be hurt.

Mullins was Division 5A Defensive Player of the Year, and yes, wanted by everyone for football.

There's a growing youth league here in Houston and surrounding area. We have three HS club teams in katy, but they're not very good compared to, say, The Woodlands or schools in Austin or parts of Dallas.

 

[HtownOrange]

Mullins was Division 5A Defensive Player of the Year, and yes, wanted by everyone for football.

There's a growing youth league here in Houston and surrounding area. We have three HS club teams in katy, but they're not very good compared to, say, The Woodlands or schools in Austin or parts of Dallas.

Katybis a football school.

From what I hear, Kingwood HS and Kingwood Parc HS have decent teams, but not on par with The Woodlands and Dallas area teams.

 

[Toga]

$50 Million for HS football stadium.
http://eagnews.org/tx-high-school-to-build-50-million-12000-seat-football-stadium/

 

[HtownOrange]

$50 Million for HS football stadium.
http://eagnews.org/tx-high-school-to-build-50-million-12000-seat-football-stadium/

Hard to believe it when there are so many other education issues to be addressed with limited budgets. I understand why - These places are proud of their HS football - but excessive spending isn't justifiable until the other issues are addressed and the stadiums will pay for themselves. And, no, higher taxes won't help, it will only encourage the outrageous spending.

There is one point about Texas HS football stadiums that should be made clear, most districts have multiple teams that share a home stadium (Think NY Giants and Jets). When one considers what would be spent by each and it is combined, that helps alleviate some of the spending shock.

My local stadium (New Caney) hosts two class 4A teams (No, we will not compete with Katy or other elite schools in Houston) and is expected to double over the next 15-20 years. All will use the same stadium.

 

[texascpa]

Hard to believe it when there are so many other education issues to be addressed with limited budgets. I understand why - These places are proud of their HS football - but excessive spending isn't justifiable until the other issues are addressed and the stadiums will pay for themselves. And, no, higher taxes won't help, it will only encourage the outrageous spending.

There is one point about Texas HS football stadiums that should be made clear, most districts have multiple teams that share a home stadium (Think NY Giants and Jets). When one considers what would be spent by each and it is combined, that helps alleviate some of the spending shock.

My local stadium (New Caney) hosts two class 4A teams (No, we will not compete with Katy or other elite schools in Houston) and is expected to double over the next 15-20 years. All will use the same stadium.

We are also building an almost $60M new stadium...right next to the current stadium. That said, we have one stadium for 7 high schools, so it's almost a necessity. There will be an eighth in the near future. First bond failed about 2-3 years ago, but the new one passed last year. Construction has already started. The bond did, however, include other non-athletic improvements, like a major overhaul of the school district's FFA barn and facilities. Katy is a growing area, as you may know, and Katy HS (which my kids all have or are attending) is a football powerhouse. In a sense, it is a justified cost.

 

[HtownOrange]

We are also building an almost $60M new stadium...right next to the current stadium. That said, we have one stadium for 7 high schools, so it's almost a necessity. There will be an eighth in the near future. First bond failed about 2-3 years ago, but the new one passed last year. Construction has already started. The bond did, however, include other non-athletic improvements, like a major overhaul of the school district's FFA barn and facilities. Katy is a growing area, as you may know, and Katy HS (which my kids all have or are attending) is a football powerhouse. In a sense, it is a justified cost.

Agreed, Katy will probably pay for its stadium through much usage (# of schools and events using the facility). Smaller districts, not so much.

 

[HtownOrange]

Back to the OP:

Texas and OU can essentially join any conference. If Texas neglects OU's demand to expand the Big 12, the impact could be OU leaving for the first conference that will take them (as indicated). This may wait until the Big 12 deal is up or near completion, but could happen anytime OU wants it to happen as they can afford to pay any exit fees.

If Texas is looking for a way out (also as is indicated) then every team in the Big 12 is looking for someplace to land. OU is a serious brand name but does not have the following to support the TV deals as they stand.

If Texas and OU wish to join a conference together (they have a long rivalry, the Red River Rivalry), they can go in as a block, even naming travel companions. Any conference would have to consider them.

SEC: Hands down the "easy"choice for speculation. PROS: General same climate. East coast exposure (UT likes this). Great games for fans, home and away. Great travel locales. Can accept any "friends" UT and OU wish to bring along, would prefer new markets, though). Has its own network. CONS: However, UT has never wanted in the SEC and does not like their academics. Also, OU is attempting to improve their academics perception. Additionally, the SEC has many name brands that have won the title (conference and National). With TAMU in the mix, why join what is perceived as the toughest road to the NC and make it that much tougher. Not likely to have greatest influence based on the number of high quality teams and long history of the base being together.

ACC: Easy talk of desiring UT and OU. PROS: Only 2 elite level schools at present. Several historical name schools to play against. East coast exposure. Same climate (mostly). Can accept some "Friends". Academics are on point. Great Olympics Sports teams to compete with. Easy (perceived) road to the NC, not as easy as the PAC at present, but only FSU and Clemson are presently contenders annually. Great places to visit. Likely the best place to have instant influence as the NC4 no longer rule the roost in all decisions, the new schools along with FSU and Clemson make a solid voting block and the hoops of this block match up with the old line schools. Will take public and private schools. CONS: Some northeast games. Smaller stadiums. Small traveling fan bases. No network.

B1G: Generally a good fit. PROS: Some rivalry in UNL. Great academics, with CIC. Excellent traveling fan bases. Good stadiums to visit. Has an established network. Some eastern exposure. Several name brands to play. CONS: Northern teams only. Old states with declining populations. Will have little to no influence in conference decisions. Travel to Minnesota and Iowa and NJ are not exactly desirable. Tougher road to the NC. Limited exposure to east coast. East coast is duplicated by ACC and much greater in the ACC. Probably limited on which "friends" they can bring along.

PAC: This is easy enough as the PAC has considered them as a package deal before. PROS: A couple great names. Generally good locales to visit. Usually only a couple of elite level teams on an annual basis (compared to other conferences). CONS: Travel sucks. No eastern exposure (late games that nobody in the east watches). Too many teams over-hyped. No real TV network. Likely to have little influence in conference direction. Will be limited as to which "friends" to bring along. Will be on an island more so than any other P5 conference.

In short, the ACC is probably the one conference that can absorb UT and OU as they are with a couple friends. The network issue is being addressed and as an alternative, the LHN could be converted. Being strong in all sports is a plus for both schools and eastern exposure would help recruit students (and hoops as both wish to stay strong in hoops).

That said, I see UT and OU adding 2-6 teams to expand their TV deal long term. They like being the big dogs and running the show. Either could have made the move in the past and did not because they like some of what they see. I still see no chance of the Big 12 luring Clemson and FSU away from the ACC without and ACC implosion.