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Oklahoma, Texas, notre dame to ACC..

Back to the OP:

Texas and OU can essentially join any conference. If Texas neglects OU's demand to expand the Big 12, the impact could be OU leaving for the first conference that will take them (as indicated). This may wait until the Big 12 deal is up or near completion, but could happen anytime OU wants it to happen as they can afford to pay any exit fees.

If Texas is looking for a way out (also as is indicated) then every team in the Big 12 is looking for someplace to land. OU is a serious brand name but does not have the following to support the TV deals as they stand.

If Texas and OU wish to join a conference together (they have a long rivalry, the Red River Rivalry), they can go in as a block, even naming travel companions. Any conference would have to consider them.

SEC: Hands down the "easy"choice for speculation. PROS: General same climate. East coast exposure (UT likes this). Great games for fans, home and away. Great travel locales. Can accept any "friends" UT and OU wish to bring along, would prefer new markets, though). Has its own network. CONS: However, UT has never wanted in the SEC and does not like their academics. Also, OU is attempting to improve their academics perception. Additionally, the SEC has many name brands that have won the title (conference and National). With TAMU in the mix, why join what is perceived as the toughest road to the NC and make it that much tougher. Not likely to have greatest influence based on the number of high quality teams and long history of the base being together.

ACC: Easy talk of desiring UT and OU. PROS: Only 2 elite level schools at present. Several historical name schools to play against. East coast exposure. Same climate (mostly). Can accept some "Friends". Academics are on point. Great Olympics Sports teams to compete with. Easy (perceived) road to the NC, not as easy as the PAC at present, but only FSU and Clemson are presently contenders annually. Great places to visit. Likely the best place to have instant influence as the NC4 no longer rule the roost in all decisions, the new schools along with FSU and Clemson make a solid voting block and the hoops of this block match up with the old line schools. Will take public and private schools. CONS: Some northeast games. Smaller stadiums. Small traveling fan bases. No network.

B1G: Generally a good fit. PROS: Some rivalry in UNL. Great academics, with CIC. Excellent traveling fan bases. Good stadiums to visit. Has an established network. Some eastern exposure. Several name brands to play. CONS: Northern teams only. Old states with declining populations. Will have little to no influence in conference decisions. Travel to Minnesota and Iowa and NJ are not exactly desirable. Tougher road to the NC. Limited exposure to east coast. East coast is duplicated by ACC and much greater in the ACC. Probably limited on which "friends" they can bring along.

PAC: This is easy enough as the PAC has considered them as a package deal before. PROS: A couple great names. Generally good locales to visit. Usually only a couple of elite level teams on an annual basis (compared to other conferences). CONS: Travel sucks. No eastern exposure (late games that nobody in the east watches). Too many teams over-hyped. No real TV network. Likely to have little influence in conference direction. Will be limited as to which "friends" to bring along. Will be on an island more so than any other P5 conference.

In short, the ACC is probably the one conference that can absorb UT and OU as they are with a couple friends. The network issue is being addressed and as an alternative, the LHN could be converted. Being strong in all sports is a plus for both schools and eastern exposure would help recruit students (and hoops as both wish to stay strong in hoops).

That said, I see UT and OU adding 2-6 teams to expand their TV deal long term. They like being the big dogs and running the show. Either could have made the move in the past and did not because they like some of what they see. I still see no chance of the Big 12 luring Clemson and FSU away from the ACC without and ACC implosion.
OK, I'll play.

SEC: UT values their academics. SEC is a non-starter, IMO.

ACC: You list 'no network' as a CON. The longhorn network could become the de facto ACC network, no? :D

B1G: Hard to believe UT would join a conference in a declining region. No growth available.

PAC-12: This is the one that could work. Almost happened previously, if you believe all the reports. As you say though, the travel would be awful. Austin to Pullman - ugh.

All in all, I see the Big XII expanding. Cinci and BYU.
 
If I were the ACC & ESPN, adding UT & OU with the ESPN/ACC network channel would rival the BiG & SEC networks in value. $2-3 billion for all schools for the network including the round robin with ND could be very appealing. Playing and recruiting all along the East Coast would be valuable for them and Texas/Okie for rest of us all. Chance of happening - less than 1%.
 
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OK, I'll play.

SEC: UT values their academics. SEC is a non-starter, IMO.

ACC: You list 'no network' as a CON. The longhorn network could become the de facto ACC network, no? :D

B1G: Hard to believe UT would join a conference in a declining region. No growth available.

PAC-12: This is the one that could work. Almost happened previously, if you believe all the reports. As you say though, the travel would be awful. Austin to Pullman - ugh.

All in all, I see the Big XII expanding. Cinci and BYU.

http://espn.go.com/college-football...-houston-memphis-ucf-colorado-state-expansion
 
One of our board gurus has said many times that UT was offered the same deal ND took before it was offered to ND, but turned it down. They won't turn it down a second time. It's more likely that if the Big XII doesn't expand, OU tries to get the conference disbanded so it can go to the B1G and gets to play Nebraska again. (Those were some of the best games ever played.) Disbanding the conference ends the GoR. Okie Lite is left on its own and asks T. Boone to buy it a conference. UT would then get the ACC offer again (possibly a full membership including fb if they wanted it) and they'll take it. Full membership could be a positive influence on ND to reconsider independence. No guarantee that would, but they'd have to consider it since they like to recruit very heavily in Texas. Supposedly, the big factor Texas hates about being in the PAC-12 is the time zone difference.
 
Back to the OP:

Texas and OU can essentially join any conference. If Texas neglects OU's demand to expand the Big 12, the impact could be OU leaving for the first conference that will take them (as indicated). This may wait until the Big 12 deal is up or near completion, but could happen anytime OU wants it to happen as they can afford to pay any exit fees.

If Texas is looking for a way out (also as is indicated) then every team in the Big 12 is looking for someplace to land. OU is a serious brand name but does not have the following to support the TV deals as they stand.

If Texas and OU wish to join a conference together (they have a long rivalry, the Red River Rivalry), they can go in as a block, even naming travel companions. Any conference would have to consider them.

SEC: Hands down the "easy"choice for speculation. PROS: General same climate. East coast exposure (UT likes this). Great games for fans, home and away. Great travel locales. Can accept any "friends" UT and OU wish to bring along, would prefer new markets, though). Has its own network. CONS: However, UT has never wanted in the SEC and does not like their academics. Also, OU is attempting to improve their academics perception. Additionally, the SEC has many name brands that have won the title (conference and National). With TAMU in the mix, why join what is perceived as the toughest road to the NC and make it that much tougher. Not likely to have greatest influence based on the number of high quality teams and long history of the base being together.

ACC: Easy talk of desiring UT and OU. PROS: Only 2 elite level schools at present. Several historical name schools to play against. East coast exposure. Same climate (mostly). Can accept some "Friends". Academics are on point. Great Olympics Sports teams to compete with. Easy (perceived) road to the NC, not as easy as the PAC at present, but only FSU and Clemson are presently contenders annually. Great places to visit. Likely the best place to have instant influence as the NC4 no longer rule the roost in all decisions, the new schools along with FSU and Clemson make a solid voting block and the hoops of this block match up with the old line schools. Will take public and private schools. CONS: Some northeast games. Smaller stadiums. Small traveling fan bases. No network.

B1G: Generally a good fit. PROS: Some rivalry in UNL. Great academics, with CIC. Excellent traveling fan bases. Good stadiums to visit. Has an established network. Some eastern exposure. Several name brands to play. CONS: Northern teams only. Old states with declining populations. Will have little to no influence in conference decisions. Travel to Minnesota and Iowa and NJ are not exactly desirable. Tougher road to the NC. Limited exposure to east coast. East coast is duplicated by ACC and much greater in the ACC. Probably limited on which "friends" they can bring along.

PAC: This is easy enough as the PAC has considered them as a package deal before. PROS: A couple great names. Generally good locales to visit. Usually only a couple of elite level teams on an annual basis (compared to other conferences). CONS: Travel sucks. No eastern exposure (late games that nobody in the east watches). Too many teams over-hyped. No real TV network. Likely to have little influence in conference direction. Will be limited as to which "friends" to bring along. Will be on an island more so than any other P5 conference.

In short, the ACC is probably the one conference that can absorb UT and OU as they are with a couple friends. The network issue is being addressed and as an alternative, the LHN could be converted. Being strong in all sports is a plus for both schools and eastern exposure would help recruit students (and hoops as both wish to stay strong in hoops).

That said, I see UT and OU adding 2-6 teams to expand their TV deal long term. They like being the big dogs and running the show. Either could have made the move in the past and did not because they like some of what they see. I still see no chance of the Big 12 luring Clemson and FSU away from the ACC without and ACC implosion.
CBS Sports is reporting today that the OU president and the chairman of the Board of Regents are on opposite sides regarding Big 12 expansion.

http://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...-at-oklahoma-over-potential-big-12-expansion/
 
Conspiracy theory--

Oklahoma BoT put the kibosh on expansion. Big XII is stuck in limbo. Boren uses this as an excuse to abandon an unstable conference situation. Oklahoma moves to . . .?

I'm hearing a move is imminent...
 
CBS Sports is reporting today that the OU president and the chairman of the Board of Regents are on opposite sides regarding Big 12 expansion.

http://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...-at-oklahoma-over-potential-big-12-expansion/
Sounds more like the BoR Chair does not like the usual suspects and is not convinced they bring any cash to the table as they lack cache in the CFB-TV world. Specifically, only UConn is on the same level as the lowest earning teams (Baylor and TCU), why should the Big 12 build up a team in hopes they will step up to the Big 12 level. (Pitt may have been a bigger target than many perceived)

The Big 12 knows they cannot pry anyone loose from a P5 conference. The "best" candidates simply don't stack up well with the current makeup of the Big 12. (Indicates Louisville to be a much better add than first glance would indicate)
 
Conspiracy theory--

Oklahoma BoT put the kibosh on expansion. Big XII is stuck in limbo. Boren uses this as an excuse to abandon an unstable conference situation. Oklahoma moves to . . .?
This actually has more merit than anything from the Dude. Not that I am encouraging you to start a blog on expansion.
 
One of our board gurus has said many times that UT was offered the same deal ND took before it was offered to ND, but turned it down. They won't turn it down a second time. It's more likely that if the Big XII doesn't expand, OU tries to get the conference disbanded so it can go to the B1G and gets to play Nebraska again. (Those were some of the best games ever played.) Disbanding the conference ends the GoR. Okie Lite is left on its own and asks T. Boone to buy it a conference. UT would then get the ACC offer again (possibly a full membership including fb if they wanted it) and they'll take it. Full membership could be a positive influence on ND to reconsider independence. No guarantee that would, but they'd have to consider it since they like to recruit very heavily in Texas. Supposedly, the big factor Texas hates about being in the PAC-12 is the time zone difference.

I live here...Time Zone is a big deal. Texas is really a border state (country) all on its own self. They fancy themselves as part Western/Southern and Plains...but most importantly they are Texan. Texas looks eastward though...huge deal. They will not end up in the PAC16.
 
I live here...Time Zone is a big deal. Texas is really a border state (country) all on its own self. They fancy themselves as part Western/Southern and Plains...but most importantly they are Texan. Texas looks eastward though...huge deal. They will not end up in the PAC16.
That is the same idea here in H-town. The people openly brag of being their "own" country, but seriously look east (from where most non-native Texans came from) and greatly dislike the west coast (love the west (anything west of Austin and DFW, NM, AZ, CO, while hating the west coast (CA, OR)). I have not met one UT grad/fan who likes the idea of the PAC.
 

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