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Oklahoma brings in Lincoln Riley from ECU as OC. ECU's offense has been incredible under Riley. We need exactly that, there can be no dispute. Oh, we don't have the playmakers or talent for it? Please! And ECU does? Yes they do and so do we! Add a few hundred thousand to the budget and increase revenues that more than pay for it, along with making this team Big time bowl runners immediately! If by some crazy luck OU doesn't hire him, we know he will leave for the right money. Make the dang money right!
Article on Collegefootballtalk.com. My iPhone 6 won't link it cuz it sux
 
No doubt he's making at least $900k.

This is the hire we needed to make. We have the funds to pony up, time to step up.
If Shafer doesn't pan out in the next couple years, it sounds like a couple guys high on the wish list here will be available (with good experience) for $2M/yr money, plus a good budget for assistants.
 
I don't understand these calls to spend more.

Does Shafer deserve a $5 million/year contract? Does the MACtion staff that he wanted deserve high pay?

I don't think we can draw conclusions about our commitment to paying coaches until (a) Shafer has success and we need to extend him, (b) key members of the staff leave and need to be replaced from outside the MAC comfort zone, (c) Shafer fails and is fired.

I think (c) is most likely, after next season or 2016. If we cheap out again then we'll know.
 
I don't understand these calls to spend more.

Does Shafer deserve a $5 million/year contract? Does the MACtion staff that he wanted deserve high pay?

I don't think we can draw conclusions about our commitment to paying coaches until (a) Shafer has success and we need to extend him, (b) key members of the staff leave and need to be replaced from outside the MAC comfort zone, (c) Shafer fails and is fired.

I think (c) is most likely, after next season or 2016. If we cheap out again then we'll know.

Well we've got a key member to replace right now, so this hire will certainly be interesting to see.
 
I don't understand these calls to spend more.

Does Shafer deserve a $5 million/year contract? Does the MACtion staff that he wanted deserve high pay?

I don't think we can draw conclusions about our commitment to paying coaches until (a) Shafer has success and we need to extend him, (b) key members of the staff leave and need to be replaced from outside the MAC comfort zone, (c) Shafer fails and is fired.

I think (c) is most likely, after next season or 2016. If we cheap out again then we'll know.

I've put my thoughts out there many times now on many different threads. I have been vocal about the need to spend money for coaches, but you've misunderstood entirely as to how that should be done.

I wouldn't pay Shafer any additional amount. He is paid adequately and isn't going anywhere and isn't going to give us anything more by paying him more. So in response to your question, no, he doesn't deserve $5 million and I haven't seen a single person on here in a long time arguing that he should get a raise from what he is currently paid.

There are those on the current staff I would pay more to keep -- Daoust, Bullough, Acosta -- but we don't need to right now as they aren't threatening or mentioned to go elsewhere at this time. Thus the MACtion staff doesn't, in general, deserve pay raises.

I don't think it can be disputed, however, that we would benefit greatly by bringing in an OC with a proven track record of effective offenses moving the ball and scoring. We are something like 116 of 128 (I'm not looking it up again or I'll cry) in offense. If we were 80, we likely would've won another 2 games and if we were 60, which is average, we may've won 4 more. That's just for being average. If we had someone truly good as an OC and finished up top 30, we may've won 6 more and been in a major bowl. I know that is a lot of conjecture and just blabbering on what may have been. My point is that if we don't take steps to change what we are doing on offense, we will end up with more bad records, awful football to watch and wondering again next year what may have been if only we had an effective offense. Lester could turn out to be a good OC, we don't know. What I saw this year from him didn't leave me any hope for that and there is no question he'll be learning on the job. Increase the salary for that position by $400,000 and we won't get an OC who is learning on the job, we could get an OC that is experienced and has proven himself capable or, dare I say, innovative at a D1 school. Riley would have been a perfect hire and I believe he would've left ECU for SU if we had offered him some decent money. He was making $200,000/yr at ECU according to 247. A step up to a P5 team OC position and a raise to $600,000 and I can't imagine he'd have said no. That's $400,000 to win another 3-6 games, which in turn raises revenues far more than the $400,000 it cost to get him here. Yes, it would have likely necessitated paying Bullough more and Daoust as well, but we saved money with G McD leaving that could have been used for that. We can afford it and we need to invest and this is a really cheap way to make an investment that pays you back quickly. Its a no brainer.

Couple such a move with weaker OOC scheduling and you've got yourself a top 25 ranking overnight. Isn't that worth $400,000 or even $750,000?
 
I don't understand these calls to spend more.

Does Shafer deserve a $5 million/year contract? Does the MACtion staff that he wanted deserve high pay?

I don't think we can draw conclusions about our commitment to paying coaches until (a) Shafer has success and we need to extend him, (b) key members of the staff leave and need to be replaced from outside the MAC comfort zone, (c) Shafer fails and is fired.

I think (c) is most likely, after next season or 2016. If we cheap out again then we'll know.
i don't think anyone wants to pay the same guys more

seems obvious that people who want to spend more don't want to just give current guys bonuses
 
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Couple such a move with weaker OOC scheduling and you've got yourself a top 25 ranking overnight. Isn't that worth $400,000 or even $750,000?
Shafer has to want to hire him first. Do you think that even if he were offered $1M to go get an OC, he would have picked anyone other than Lester? I don't get that feeling. IMO of course.
 
I don't think it can be disputed, however, that we would benefit greatly by bringing in an OC with a proven track record of effective offenses moving the ball and scoring.

I completely agree.

Sadly, Scott Shafer does not.

Lester is his man, and that seems to be a decision he has made independent of salary.

So I totally get your concerns, but I'm saying that it's not something that is relevant at this moment, because of the decision Gross made to hire Shafer, the decisions Shafer made to fill out his staff, and the decision Shafer has made to promote Lester into the full-time OC role.

When it becomes relevant I'm right there with you.
 
i don't think anyone wants to pay the same guys more

seems obvious that people who want to spend more don't want to just give current guys bonuses

Of course.

But screaming to pay other people more is not where this program is at right now. When we're at that point, I agree that we should.
 
The die has been cast. SS will live or die as our HC based largely upon Lester's performance next season.
 
There's still no evidence that the new Chancellor is in favor of Big Time Sports, or is more like Buzz, and his " Get a Life " to the fans.
 
baggerbob said:
There's still no evidence that the new Chancellor is in favor of Big Time Sports, or is more like Buzz, and his " Get a Life " to the fans.

I'd say that becoming Chancellor of Syracuse University is evidence enough.

Yeesh.
 
There's still no evidence that the new Chancellor is in favor of Big Time Sports, or is more like Buzz, and his " Get a Life " to the fans.
According to IPF press release, there was no money raised for IPF to be built but Chancellor felt it was a priority and approved project anyway...Everything I've read on here has said that is not they way things are usually done...Money needs to be raised first..So the chancellor must have football as somewhat a priority? Right?
 
According to IPF press release, there was no money raised for IPF to be built but Chancellor felt it was a priority and approved project anyway...Everything I've read on here has said that is not they way things are usually done...Money needs to be raised first..So the chancellor must have football as somewhat a priority? Right?
Yep, that stood out. Absolutely not the way that such projects are typically handled at SU. Good work by someone in the AD finding a naming donor after the leap had been taken. "If you build it they will come" worked in this instance, to some extent.
 
Millhouse said:
i don't think anyone wants to pay the same guys more seems obvious that people who want to spend more don't want to just give current guys bonuses

That means firing the whole staff. If they want to do that they should say so.
 
Jack_Ball said:
According to IPF press release, there was no money raised for IPF to be built but Chancellor felt it was a priority and approved project anyway...Everything I've read on here has said that is not they way things are usually done...Money needs to be raised first..So the chancellor must have football as somewhat a priority? Right?

I don't know what the press release said, but they raised money. I know plenty of people who donated to it and they have announced 2 major donors and the naming rights with more to come.
 
I completely agree.

Sadly, Scott Shafer does not.

Lester is his man, and that seems to be a decision he has made independent of salary.

So I totally get your concerns, but I'm saying that it's not something that is relevant at this moment, because of the decision Gross made to hire Shafer, the decisions Shafer made to fill out his staff, and the decision Shafer has made to promote Lester into the full-time OC role.

When it becomes relevant I'm right there with you.

I may be a complete clown here, but I literally never considered the possibility that the funds are there to hire a new OC with a proven record of success, but Shafer isn't interested in doing that. I truly did not. I figured the Lester promotion was either a plan to keep together this recruiting class and a change to a new OC was possible after NLI day or there just was no money available from the administration to bring in the kind of talent you can bring in for $600,000 or $750,000. If Shafer isn't money limited and sticks with Lester, you are right, he will live or die with Lester, whose effectiveness will determine whether Shafer is still here in 2016.
 

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