OL Changes?

[Chip]

Cliffs notes: Dakota back. Servais/Vettorello may be switching places.

 

[TheCusian]

Perfect timing. Get them on the same page vs a cupcake. We have to have the Liberty game.

 

[ForCuseSake]

Perfect timing. Get them on the same page vs a cupcake. We have to have the Liberty game.

Or...

NOOOO!! We can't give Liberty film on our revamped OL!!!

/s

 

[OrangeinBoston]

How is Vettorello playing tackle a good thing?

 

[upperdeck]

If Servais is a better center and Davis is an upgrade you now have 4 better spots. Center play kills an oline.. Much easier to protect the tackles with TE/RB help.

 

[syrBossHogg]

How is Vettorello playing tackle a good thing?

I think Vett was originally recruited as a tackle, he got moved to center in 2019 because Servais lost too much weight to play inside. Why Vett has stayed at Center this long is another question...

 

[PhatOrange]

well if you have a game to experiment with Servais/Vet switch this is it. DDavis should be a huge upgrade. He was even briefly last year. The question is does Vet go to LT or RT?

 

[syrBossHogg]

well if you have a game to experiment with Servais/Vet switch this is it. DDavis should be a huge upgrade. He was even briefly last year. The question is does Vet go to LT or RT?

Has to be RT. Bergeron has played well on the left side

 

[PhatOrange]

Has to be RT. Bergeron has played well on the left side

I'm thinking I'd rather have the ice Berg protect the blind side.

 

[upperdeck]

Servais has not been solid at tackle for awhile now. maybe they have been waiting for Davis to make the move anyway. Line was bad last yr, it has become serviceable so far.. Can it get to good with these changes. Would love to see just less confusion mistakes that would be a big step up.

 

[Dcuse]

well if you have a game to experiment with Servais/Vet switch this is it. DDavis should be a huge upgrade. He was even briefly last year. The question is does Vet go to LT or RT?

That's a question? Please. The question is does Vettorello go to RT or the bench.

 

[upperdeck]

Would not surprise me if they move Vet to tackle to start since he has been playing, but it might be good to see some others out there at RT if the game goes well.

 

[FrancoPizza]

weren't we complaining that servais was getting blown up at center last year? Are they trying to put him back there again?

 

[syrBossHogg]

weren't we complaining that servais was getting blown up at center last year? Are they trying to put him back there again?

I don't think he played center last year at all. He played center in 2018 and was fine, 2019 he was brutal at center but he also dropped some weight to play tackle initially.

The staff has managed the position so bad since 2018.

 

[rrlbees]

Tisdale needs to be the one removed. He is by far our worse OL. He was rated one of the lowest OL in the country for pass blocking. He’s given up the only sacks Weber had and has allowed 7 QB pressures.

 

[RF2044]

Not to badmouth Vet, but here's the issue in my mind: I get why the coaches love him, because he's versatile and a pretty good athlete.

Problem is, he's not big and strong enough to anchor inside as one of the interior OL positions, and he isn't a good enough pass blocker to play OT.

He's like a swiss army knife who can play all five positions [on paper], but not play any of them well enough. I was hoping that as he progressed through his career, he'd get bigger / strong enough to handle the rigors of playing inside, but it doesn't look like that's the case. Of the 5, he seems to be the weak link.

 

[syrBossHogg]

Not to badmouth Vet, but here's the issue in my mind: I get why the coaches love him, because he's versatile and a pretty good athlete.

Problem is, he's not big and strong enough to anchor inside as one of the interior OL positions, and he isn't a good enough pass blocker to play OT.

He's like a swiss army knife who can play all five positions [on paper], but not play any of them well enough. I was hoping that as he progressed through his career, he'd get bigger / strong enough to handle the rigors of playing inside, but it doesn't look like that's the case. Of the 5, he seems to be the weak link.

I agree with this, I think best case scenario is someone like Red supplants Vett at RT and Vett serves as depth so the young tackles on the roster don't need to be rushed in yet.

 

[AngryOtto]

How is Vettorello playing tackle a good thing?

He will not. Probably Bradford.

 

[Chip]

I wonder what Schmidt's overall starting 5 preference is. Maybe we're seeing it, just not sure.

I recall an article in 2019 where Cavanaugh had been pushing to swap Vet and Servais, (move Vet to center and Servais to tackle), but Dino had vetoed it until finally giving in the last 3 games.

Oddly, those 3 games are the best our OL has looked since 2018. Now we're doing the opposite. But Vet, as noted in the Bailey article, was killing us on stunts, just couldn't pick them up. Bailey also noted (as everyone has noted here) that Tisdale has really struggled so far this year.

I'd just be curious if Schmidt wants to go to Bradford or Red at the other tackle spot and is waiting for Dino's green light.

 

[Scooch]

I recall an article in 2019 where Cavanaugh had been pushing to swap Vet and Servais, (move Vet to center and Servais to tackle), but Dino had vetoed it until finally giving in the last 3 games.

This just makes me mad all over again.

 

[rrlbees]

Not to badmouth Vet, but here's the issue in my mind: I get why the coaches love him, because he's versatile and a pretty good athlete.

Problem is, he's not big and strong enough to anchor inside as one of the interior OL positions, and he isn't a good enough pass blocker to play OT.

He's like a swiss army knife who can play all five positions [on paper], but not play any of them well enough. I was hoping that as he progressed through his career, he'd get bigger / strong enough to handle the rigors of playing inside, but it doesn't look like that's the case. Of the 5, he seems to be the weak link.

Tisdale is far weaker especially pass blocking. He’s allowed each of our sacks, the most QB pressures and the most QB hurry’s. He’s graded as one of the worst OL in the country for pass blocking. On a scale of 0-100 how do you grade an 8? So you look at run blocking and he graded better than Vet but barely.

 

[upperdeck]

Vet struggling at center may be different than how Servais struggles at center. We may see a downgrade in some parts of the blocking like the run and an upgrade in others like the stunts.

 

[upperdeck]

Tisdale is far weaker especially pass blocking. He’s allowed each of our sacks, the most QB pressures and the most QB hurry’s. He’s graded as one of the worst OL in the country for pass blocking. On a scale of 0-100 how do you grade an 8? So you look at run blocking and he graded better than Vet but barely.

yup and blow ups in run plays most of the time cost you less than bad pass blocking

 

[Chip]

Tisdale is far weaker especially pass blocking. He’s allowed each of our sacks, the most QB pressures and the most QB hurry’s. He’s graded as one of the worst OL in the country for pass blocking. On a scale of 0-100 how do you grade an 8? So you look at run blocking and he graded better than Vet but barely.

The 3rd and 10 sack of Shrader on his first drive had nothing to do with Tisdale. All Vet.

They've been the 2 weak links.

 

[RF2044]

Tisdale is far weaker especially pass blocking. He’s allowed each of our sacks, the most QB pressures and the most QB hurry’s. He’s graded as one of the worst OL in the country for pass blocking. On a scale of 0-100 how do you grade an 8? So you look at run blocking and he graded better than Vet but barely.

Get them both out, then.