one major positive that coach marrone has brought to the program

[retro44]

is that the recruits he is pulling in is treating us like we are a major "state" university instead of a private one.

New Yorks college team is starting to resonate thru out the state. programs like mich.alabama,ohio st and others usually enjoy these benefits of state pride.

great job coach!!!!

 

[OttoForLife]

As an SU alum and die hard Orange fan, as well as a born-and-raised New Yorker, I feel you on this. But let's not get carried away just yet in talking about the type of support we get vs. Mich, 'Bama, etc. We have a lot of work to do when it comes to fund raising and attendance before we can even dream on being tier 2 to those schools.

 

[orangenirvana]

But let's not get carried away just yet in talking about the type of support we get vs. Mich, 'Bama, etc. We have a lot of work to do when it comes to fund raising and attendance before we can even dream on being tier 2 to those schools.

Did you really need to type this?

 

[OttoForLife]

Did you really need to type this?

Yes. Don't go telling me that the state of NY is buying into what SU is selling when we still have miserable crowds for home games. Would be nothing short of ecstatic if I'm proven wrong come this fall.

 

[ForeverOrange]

Have to give TDG credit on this as well. He started this "NY's College Team" theme, which a lot of us laughed at and thought that it was a waste of time and money, or even a useless gimic, but I have to say there's a theme going on with these kids that tells me they are starting to buy into this. I can't wait to see what this has the ability to turn into if we start actually winning.

 

[orangenirvana]

Yes. Don't go telling me that the state of NY is buying into what SU is selling when we still have miserable crowds for home games. Would be nothing short of ecstatic if I'm proven wrong come this fall.

All retro said is that "programs like mich.alabama,ohio st and others usually enjoy these benefits of state pride." In no way did retro imply that Syracuse was close to comparable with those schools. He's simply pointing out that state pride is a huge tool that has been used by programs like Michigan, Alabama, and Ohio State for decades and has contributed greatly to their achievements.

 

[dollarbill44]

Have to give TDG credit on this as well. He started this "NY's College Team" theme, which a lot of us laughed at and thought that it was a waste of time and money, or even a useless gimic, but I have to say there's a theme going on with these kids that tells me they are starting to buy into this. I can't wait to see what this has the ability to turn into if we start actually winning.

It's a matter of respect. Marrone has been going to NYC and telling them he knows they are good athletes with the ability to become very good college FB players. Sure, the big-time programs come calling for the handful of highly-touted recruits, but DM has been working the diamond mines for the kids that might develop. He is giving them all respect early on and it looks like it is starting to pay off because, if nothing else, we are at least getting serious looks from the kids that are getting national attention by the time they are seniors. With a couple of commits, momentum builds until it becomes a legitimate pipeline of top talent. It's not all that different from what others have done to jump-start programs from trash heap (see Beamer and Schiano, among others).

 

[OttoForLife]

All retro said is that "programs like mich.alabama,ohio st and others usually enjoy these benefits of state pride." In no way did retro imply that Syracuse was close to comparable with those schools. He's simply pointing out that state pride is a huge tool that has been used by programs like Michigan, Alabama, and Ohio State for decades and has contributed greatly to their achievements.

Yes. I read what he wrote. Thank you.

I'm saying there are minimal benefits SU gets from so-called NY "state pride" thus far. Sure, we've seen some uptick in prospects/recruits talking about how their is new found "NYC pride" with considering Syracuse, but I think it's a stretch to talk about that across the state. Not hearing any of this coming from Western NY or Rochester kids. Hell, I know from being from downstate that most people from southern NY, NYC, LI consider the Tri-state to be a separate entity from the land mass north of Westchester County.

We're all on the same team here. Things are getting better and moving in the right direction. But as I said originally, state pride/support/momentum/whatever you want to call in needs to be evident by fannies in the seats.

 

[Crusty]

Yes. I read what he wrote. Thank you.

I'm saying there are minimal benefits SU gets from so-called NY "state pride" thus far. Sure, we've seen some uptick in prospects/recruits talking about how their is new found "NYC pride" with considering Syracuse, but I think it's a stretch to talk about that across the state. Not hearing any of this coming from Western NY or Rochester kids. Hell, I know from being from downstate that most people from southern NY, NYC, LI consider the Tri-state to be a separate entity from the land mass north of Westchester County.

We're all on the same team here. Things are getting better and moving in the right direction. But as I said originally, state pride/support/momentum/whatever you want to call in needs to be evident by fannies in the seats.

You have a point. I grew in CNY and spent my career in NYC. I really think that CNY considers NYC a separate place "the City" and Western NY, being as far away, is also another entity. There are certainly more Red Sox, Celtic and Patriot fans in CNY than there are Bills fans. Not as many as Yankee, Mets, Jets, Giants and Knicks fans but still a lot. As far as those in NYC the world does end at the Hudson. and North of Westchester County is 'the country."

One of the reasons CNY fans are so fickle and only support winners is that they have so many choices and are very spoiled. Hard to fight. In the end, if you want CNY fans to show up, you have to win.

 

[Rocco]

Sure, we've seen some uptick in prospects/recruits talking about how their is new found "NYC pride" with considering Syracuse

That's "SwaggerCuse" to you mister.

 

[orangeinjersey]

Can we please stop using the term Swagger. Its lame and played out. Yes I am 31, yes i still listen to some rap music.

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

Can we please stop using the term Swagger. Its lame and played out. Yes I am 31, yes i still listen to some rap music.

But #SwaggerCuse hasn't even caught on yet!

 

[GoSU96]

As an SU alum and die hard Orange fan, as well as a born-and-raised New Yorker, I feel you on this. But let's not get carried away just yet in talking about the type of support we get vs. Mich, 'Bama, etc. We have a lot of work to do when it comes to fund raising and attendance before we can even dream on being tier 2 to those schools.

And the point is it's working on the market segment the program cares about, the future players. It has to start, and it has to work, there first.

We get it, they didn't listen to you.

 

[GoSU96]

Yes. I read what he wrote. Thank you.

I'm saying there are minimal benefits SU gets from so-called NY "state pride" thus far. Sure, we've seen some uptick in prospects/recruits talking about how their is new found "NYC pride" with considering Syracuse, but I think it's a stretch to talk about that across the state. Not hearing any of this coming from Western NY or Rochester kids. Hell, I know from being from downstate that most people from southern NY, NYC, LI consider the Tri-state to be a separate entity from the land mass north of Westchester County.

We're all on the same team here. Things are getting better and moving in the right direction. But as I said originally, state pride/support/momentum/whatever you want to call in needs to be evident by fannies in the seats.

Where does he talk about selling tickets?

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Where does he talk about selling tickets?

Agree, the fact is that the NYC kids and many downstate are coming in and seeing, there a bunch of kids from where we grew up, we know a lot of kids playing at Syracuse, we know football down here doesn't get much respect and we know Syracuse hs struggled the last 10 years, we think we can turn it around, together. God forbid. What. It has nothing to do with selling tickets, it's what these kids are buying into. I see a lot of really good athletes that need 1-2 years to develop, maybe some need 3. But build that depth and the wins will come, IMO. It's the only way or you can go into Jersey and compete with every other program in the country in a dog fight, or you can let the kids already in the program help your cause. It makes sense and those waiting for an influx of 4 and 5 stars at Syracuse are kidding themselves, you need an angle to recruit at Syracuse, we have never had the type of success that many feel we should. It's pie in the sky nonsense

Good for these guys and absolutely this is what Marrone is trying to do and the offer list of a lot of these kids is getting better each year.

 

[OttoForLife]

Where does he talk about selling tickets?

I don't get why so many people on the board have a hard time with wanting to see tangible results in something - wins, attendance, fundraising, etc. What exactly do you think retro44 meant by enjoying the benefits of state pride? It's foolish to think that it's recruits because we've seen that our recruiting success is isolated to NYC right now and not throughout NYS.

So if not recruits, what are these benefits?

 

[OttoForLife]

And the point is it's working on the market segment the program cares about, the future players. It has to start, and it has to work, there first.

We get it, they didn't listen to you.

Zing. You got me.

 

[djcon57]

fannies in the seats.

FANNIES.

 

[retro44]

As an SU alum and die hard Orange fan, as well as a born-and-raised New Yorker, I feel you on this. But let's not get carried away just yet in talking about the type of support we get vs. Mich, 'Bama, etc. We have a lot of work to do when it comes to fund raising and attendance before we can even dream on being tier 2 to those schools.

hey...where did i say fans or bodies in the seats. I said recruits,so lighten up Francis.

he putting some pride back into being a new yorker and repping our university.didn't E.O. say something to that effect when he went somewhere recently and the other players were surprised N.Y.C. plays high school football.

i thought we just gotten some big time kids out of rochester recently+pulled in some local kids.

 

[tipphill]

It's a matter of respect. Marrone has been going to NYC and telling them he knows they are good athletes with the ability to become very good college FB players. Sure, the big-time programs come calling for the handful of highly-touted recruits, but DM has been working the diamond mines for the kids that might develop. He is giving them all respect early on and it looks like it is starting to pay off because, if nothing else, we are at least getting serious looks from the kids that are getting national attention by the time they are seniors. With a couple of commits, momentum builds until it becomes a legitimate pipeline of top talent. It's not all that different from what others have done to jump-start programs from trash heap (see Beamer and Schiano, among others).

well stated and true.

 

[orangenirvana]

I'm saying there are minimal benefits SU gets from so-called NY "state pride" thus far.

And I'm saying you're stating the obvious.

 

[orangenirvana]

One of the reasons CNY fans are so fickle and only support winners is that they have so many choices and are very spoiled. Hard to fight. In the end, if you want CNY fans to show up, you have to win.

So many choices? CNY has one sports entity that represents CNY - Syracuse University (football and basketball). There are no other choices. If CNY's are too dumb to understand this, then that's too bad.

The NYC teams do not represent CNY. The Red Sox, Patriots, and Celtics don't represent CNY. There's no reason for SU fans to be fickle or spoiled.

 

[SUinNYC]

FANNIES.

Anytime I see a fanny, I have a tangible result. Does that count?

 

[jcuse44]

First off,,,, there is NO patriots fans in syracuse ny. Ive lived here my while life except for 2 years when i lived in Boston. There are plenty of sox fans but no patriots fans. And this is quite possibly the most annoying thread ive read in a while.

 

[Crusty]

So many choices? CNY has one sports entity that represents CNY - Syracuse University (football and basketball). There are no other choices. If CNY's are too dumb to understand this, then that's too bad.

The NYC teams do not represent CNY. The Red Sox, Patriots, and Celtics don't represent CNY. There's no reason for SU fans to be fickle or spoiled.

Represent? What has that got to do with it? If you didn't go to the school or aren't a life-long fan, why would you support a consistent loser? Fans in CNY root for winners and won't support a loser, period - they never have. They will turn on the tube and sit on their ass and have a brew before they will spend a few bucks to see us get whipped in the Dome. In the past 4 years we have gone 12-15 at home. We beat Northwestern, Northeastern, Maine twice, Akron, Colgate, Toledo, Rhode Island, Rutgers, Louisville, Wake Forest and West Virginia. Realistically three games were worth the money. You can hardly blame folks for staying home and watching someone else play on the tube. They have plenty of football options on the tube. Even NFL teams can't fill the stadiums anymore. So, if you are not located in a football crazed state college town, you have an uphill battle for fans. After all "fans" is short for fanatics.

For many years, I belonged to Muirfield Village Golf Club in Dublin, OH and I remember going there one October to visit one of my daughters (who was at Kenyon College). At 9:00 on a beautiful October Saturday morning, the place was deserted - two cars in the parking lot (one was mine) - even the golf pro was gone. (Every club in NY would have been packed.) When I asked the locker room attendant where every one was he looked at me as if I was from outer space and said, "It's the Iowa game." Tailgating had already begun. Columbus and every suburb was basically closed for the game. In Columbus is the most populous city in Ohio but has no professional teams. It is a booster sort of town and could care less about the Bengals and the Browns. OSU is it.

SU is a medium sized private institution with 230,000 living alumni (or about two sell outs at Ohio Stadium) while OSU has 250,000 in OHIO alone. Meanwhile, SU can't put 40,000 in the Dome. It is simply the numbers. SU has to win to draw the fan support (as defined by actually showing up). It is just the way it is.

SU can be a consistent top 25 program or even better but we will never have even half of the fan base support of the big state schools, which is why the ACC is a perfect home for us. We have to win to draw.