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This is the type of thinking that is detrimental to growth. I'll leave it at that.
It’s not though. Plenty of other schools do sport specific things. And we have lots of sport specific fans at Syracuse. you want to remove friction from giving money. There should be no reason for someone to say no. They are making it easy for folks to say no.

A big business? Sure they can contribute to the entire effort. But that’s not what this is designed for. It’s grassroots.
 
This is the type of thinking that is detrimental to growth. I'll leave it at that. But I'm not going to tell you what to do with your money. If not through the collective, that money will be repurposed one way or another to the other programs anyway.
oh ok.
 

So, SU is taking the PC fast lane to FB and MBB irrelevance. The mass audience cares about FB and MBB. A small but zealous group are passionate MLAX fans. There is a smaller group who are passionate about WBB. After that, I am unaware of any significant passionate core that cares how well the other teams do.
 
This is the type of thinking that is detrimental to growth. I'll leave it at that. But I'm not going to tell you what to do with your money. If not through the collective, that money will be repurposed one way or another to the other programs anyway.

Right so the Mens Soccer team has been begging for a new scoreboard (yes they use an old school scoreboard that MOST high school dont even use anymore) and the school wont give them the $$$ for it. Thats right, the team that won our most recent National Championship cant even get a slight upgrade on the scoreboard and I am supposed to trust that if I donate my money to help out Syracuse Mens soccer that the money I am giving them is going to get to them? If I can not specifically say it needs to go there, it is not going to go there and therefore I am not going to donate my money.

So actually, its not this type of thinking that is detrimental to growth, its again, the University kicking itself in the nuts and being detrimental to their own growth by doing something half way and again taking the fans for granted.
 
So, SU is taking the PC fast lane to FB and MBB irrelevance. The mass audience cares about FB and MBB. A small but zealous group are passionate MLAX fans. There is a smaller group who are passionate about WBB. After that, I am unaware of any significant passionate core that cares how well the other teams do.

Actually, the ranking of our money as of recently is...

1) Football
2) Mens Basketball
3) Womens Basketball
4) Mens LAX
 
It’s not though. Plenty of other schools do sport specific things. And we have lots of sport specific fans at Syracuse. you want to remove friction from giving money. There should be no reason for someone to say no. They are making it easy for folks to say no.

A big business? Sure they can contribute to the entire effort. But that’s not what this is designed for. It’s grassroots.
Look they got to be doing the media tour and explaining this initiative. Why it's collective as one? How are the splits going to work? Why this approach is the way. Because they are clearly not getting the momentum at least early that I'm sure they are looking for. Clearly there is reasons and risk they are worried about if they fall behind in some of the tier 2 sports: lacrosse, women's basketball, etc.
 
So, SU is taking the PC fast lane to FB and MBB irrelevance. The mass audience cares about FB and MBB. A small but zealous group are passionate MLAX fans. There is a smaller group who are passionate about WBB. After that, I am unaware of any significant passionate core that cares how well the other teams do.
The irrelevance is happening anyways, unless there is reform in the system we are just lying to ourselves that Syracuse will ever reach real title contending relevance in those sports again, that's not the ADs fault, that's not the fans fault, it's just the way it is.
 
Right so the Mens Soccer team has been begging for a new scoreboard (yes they use an old school scoreboard that MOST high school dont even use anymore) and the school wont give them the $$$ for it. Thats right, the team that won our most recent National Championship cant even get a slight upgrade on the scoreboard and I am supposed to trust that if I donate my money to help out Syracuse Mens soccer that the money I am giving them is going to get to them? If I can not specifically say it needs to go there, it is not going to go there and therefore I am not going to donate my money.

So actually, its not this type of thinking that is detrimental to growth, its again, the University kicking itself in the nuts and being detrimental to their own growth by doing something half way and again taking the fans for granted.
What does that have to do with NIL?
 
Right so the Mens Soccer team has been begging for a new scoreboard (yes they use an old school scoreboard that MOST high school dont even use anymore) and the school wont give them the $$$ for it. Thats right, the team that won our most recent National Championship cant even get a slight upgrade on the scoreboard and I am supposed to trust that if I donate my money to help out Syracuse Mens soccer that the money I am giving them is going to get to them? If I can not specifically say it needs to go there, it is not going to go there and therefore I am not going to donate my money.

So actually, its not this type of thinking that is detrimental to growth, its again, the University kicking itself in the nuts and being detrimental to their own growth by doing something half way and again taking the fans for granted.
That's notably not NIL or Rev Share, you should be able to donate towards the Coaches fund, which would presumably go towards stuff like this.
 
I'll say this

this was a mistake not because it's a bad idea, but because most people will just not donate anything anymore because they don't understand that there is a difference between NIL and other general Athletic Donation.

Feel free to do the second one if you care about literally anything other than paying football and basketball players, you can still choose which sport gets that.
 
So, SU is taking the PC fast lane to FB and MBB irrelevance. The mass audience cares about FB and MBB. A small but zealous group are passionate MLAX fans. There is a smaller group who are passionate about WBB. After that, I am unaware of any significant passionate core that cares how well the other teams do.
Equity is the order of the day
 
Look they got to be doing the media tour and explaining this initiative. Why it's collective as one? How are the splits going to work? Why this approach is the way. Because they are clearly not getting the momentum at least early that I'm sure they are looking for. Clearly there is reasons and risk they are worried about if they fall behind in some of the tier 2 sports: lacrosse, women's basketball, etc.
This is not going to work. It needs to be changed. It will be because it has to be. They're leaving too much money on the table. How long before Chris Carlson of Syracuse.com writes a follow up article on the pushback this approach is getting.
 
Equity is the order of the day
Is this new thing really "PC" or equity? If a lopsided large percentage of the money from this goes to mens bball and fball, then is this really us focusing too much on helping out more obscure programs? If anything you would think the best chance of outside NIL money helping smaller sports would be from an individual donor giving a large amount specifically to those smaller sports. This if anything makes it harder for that donor to do that. Someone gave the example of the soccer team scoreboard above. Also I highly doubt this will actually eliminate the ability for a single donor to choose where the money is sent. It is not like this now the only avenue for people to donate right?
 
BB is supposed to be an NIL guru. This seems bad for individual donations, even the big fish.

I can see it working for corporate donations, but why not just have separate systems in that case.

If I win the lotto and want to buy a National Championship in Women's Hockey, I should be able to do so.
 
I'll say this

this was a mistake not because it's a bad idea, but because most people will just not donate anything anymore because they don't understand that there is a difference between NIL and other general Athletic Donation.

Feel free to do the second one if you care about literally anything other than paying football and basketball players, you can still choose which sport gets that.
So there is still an option to donate directly to a specific program? Then what are people complaining about exactly?
 
So there is still an option to donate directly to a specific program? Then what are people complaining about exactly?

One can donate to cover costs (coaches, expenses, etc) but they cannot donate to paying the players. Which is kind of funny that you can pay a coach directly but not a player, all of that money gets pooled.
 
One can donate to cover costs (coaches, expenses, etc) but they cannot donate to paying the players.
Yep, that was my read, for any sport that isn't Football, Basketball and maybe Lacrosse there is not really too meaningful of a difference, because those players are making very little if anything from the school itself.
 
This is not going to work. It needs to be changed. It will be because it has to be. They're leaving too much money on the table. How long before Chris Carlson of Syracuse.com writes a follow up article on the pushback this approach is getting.
I don’t disagree with you that this exact thing is going to happen. I understand their thinking though and it makes sense why they want this streamlined completely. It’s hard to change stubbornness in general and also without the reasons people should even consider to view this differently. And I’m a men’s basketball fan followed by football fan followed by women’s basketball fan. Casually lacrosse. I don’t really care about the success of the other sports. But there is obviously a level of support you have to keep up for the tier 2 and 3 sports for revenue and realignment concerns. Problem though is you are also getting screwed in results and revenue from the tier 1 sports if everyone isn’t aligned.
 
Yep, that was my read, for any sport that isn't Football, Basketball and maybe Lacrosse there is not really too meaningful of a difference, because those players are making very little if anything from the school itself.
And the reason people are mad is because NIL discussion has reached a point in the public mind where NIL has become synonymous with athletic funding in general, which it's not.

If people think Rowing is getting money from the fund (which is a point I have somehow seen multiple people complain about) they arn't.
 
I understand their thinking though and it makes sense why they want this streamlined completely.
it makes zero sense. tell me why 100% of my nil donation cant go to where i want it too? i want to donate to gmac. not have 85% of my donation go someplace that others decide they want my money to go too. since this was put together by football people, it sounds like a scam to help football (which i also support).
 

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