One Orange Alliance

[CNYGuy]

First one I looked at:

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Sure. I said majority not all.

Look at Alabama and Georgia now.

 

[CNYGuy]

Are you saying that at the "big schools" they have one giant pot that money goes into and the donors have no say over how it is spent? If so... people do that??

I'm not an alum, townie originally, but that model makes no sense to me. I care not a whit, not one iota, about anything other than a few revenue-generating sports. It sounds to me like this model says, well sorry, you aren't using your money properly if you want to tell us where to spend it. And the school will walk away from that money!

Is this bizarro world?

Well the school also can’t legally say where the money is going… that’s revenue share. This is NIL. This is an outside entity that by rule has to find ways to pay players advertising and marketing deals at the fair market value of that players NIL.

They can’t promise you what their fair market NIL is in a press conference or website or they’ll get sued.

 

[FloridaCuse]

We already have a football only collective that is working. There's no guarantee this approach is going to result in more money for football. If I was giving solely to football NIL more, how do I get assurances that my money is going only to Fran now? There's a reason why football folks didnt like the Orange United approach. There were high administration fees and lack of clarity on where the money went.

If I read it right the separate football collective has been rolled into this one so there is no longer a separate way to contribute to football only.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Sure. I said majority not all.

Look at Alabama and Georgia now.

Shouldn't we be doing what is optimal for SU? How many other schools are private BBall first schools?

Is it really that hard to have 3 accounts within Orange Alliance? A pooled general account for all sports, and then the two big sports have their own accounts on top of it? All run by the same collective?

That really is how every schools should be doing it. If other schools are doing it wrong why should we follow suit?

 

[JRHEETER]

Some people are talking in here that have ZERO clue what they are talking about..

There are TWO ways to pay players...

1) Revenue Sharing- This is through the school directly. You have a 20 million cap to spend on ALL sports at a school.

2) Traditional NIL- So think collectives...Su Football NIL, Orange United etc. While Orange United might not have been the greatest, I could donate my monthly amount there and I could pick exactly what team it went to, to ensure that I am paying the players for the team I am rooting for.


Now, when you donate to the coaches fund, none of that goes to revenue sharing (except somehow you can for womens bball). This is used for upgrades to facilities, pay for meals for the Olympic sports teams on road trips, etc etc.

 

[FloridaCuse]

Well the school also can’t legally say where the money is going… that’s revenue share. This is NIL. This is an outside entity that by rule has to find ways to pay players advertising and marketing deals at the fair market value of that players NIL.

They can’t promise you what their fair market NIL is in a press conference or website or they’ll get sued.

Question -- so to be within the rules, does the NIL collective need to be totally outside the perview of the university? IF so, doesn't this violate that rule since its website is right now solely on the university's athletic department website? So is this One Orange Alliance even within the NIL rules? Anyone?

 

[richmondcuse03]

Shouldn't we be doing what is optimal for SU? How many other schools are private BBall first schools?

Is it really that hard to have 3 accounts within Orange Alliance? A pooled general account for all sports, and then the two big sports have their own accounts on top of it? All run by the same collective?

That really is how every schools should be doing it. If other schools are doing it wrong why should we follow suit?

It's not hard. LSU, as I showed, has a very simple option. And agreed - we should do what's best for us.

Georgia and Alabama have huge content operations with their collectives. I dont think that's the right approach for us either. That requires a massive alumni base and lots of staff. We should be doing a more streamlined approach, focused on some membership tiers with access based on each level.

 

[richmondcuse03]

Question -- so to be within the rules, does the NIL collective need to be totally outside the perview of the university? IF so, doesn't this violate that rule since its website is right now solely on the university's athletic department website? So is this One Orange Alliance even within the NIL rules? Anyone?

Those lines have been drastically reduced since the NCAA settlement. A lot of the folks in these other collectives are basically university employees now.

 

[JRHEETER]

Question -- so to be within the rules, does the NIL collective need to be totally outside the perview of the university? IF so, doesn't this violate that rule since its website is right now solely on the university's athletic department website? So is this One Orange Alliance even within the NIL rules? Anyone?

Its honestly a gray area...

 

[Ttk.gman2]

I saw nothing in his track record that indicated he was a guru at NIL. There was some boilerplate stuff on NIL at toledo but the actual numbers were tiny. If we wanted an NIL expert, we didn't hire the right AD IMO.

That’s unfortunate

 

[richmondcuse03]

It's not hard. LSU, as I showed, has a very simple option. And agreed - we should do what's best for us.

Georgia and Alabama have huge content operations with their collectives. I dont think that's the right approach for us either. That requires a massive alumni base and lots of staff. We should be doing a more streamlined approach, focused on some membership tiers with access based on each level.

Another one that lets you choose sports -- and focuses on giveaways/enticements. Easy model to replicate.

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1PACK NIL

onepacknil.com

 

[rrlbees]

You still need this group (or an organization like it) to actually pay the players. Lobdell (or any individual) can’t pay players. You need to pay players to make appearances or social media posts for your partner advertisers to clear it through the ncaa clearinghouse

all true no doubt. im strictly speaking of the donation piece.

 

[CNYGuy]

Shouldn't we be doing what is optimal for SU? How many other schools are private BBall first schools?

Is it really that hard to have 3 accounts within Orange Alliance? A pooled general account for all sports, and then the two big sports have their own accounts on top of it? All run by the same collective?

That really is how every schools should be doing it. If other schools are doing it wrong why should we follow suit?

in the most respectful way possible… we’re just gonna have to agree to disagree here, because the idea that you (and me and everyone else in here) knows how to operate this better than the schools in the football playoff and final fours is just too wild to argue with.

 

[JRHEETER]

Under the new policy, schools can inform students about potential NIL opportunities and collaborate with a professional service provider to find a market that best suits the athlete. They cannot, however, enter into agreements or make deals on behalf of an athlete. Institution employees are prohibited from directly donating money, working for the service provider, or owning a stake in these entities. Current regulations allow schools to promote students’ NIL activities as long as the student or NIL entity pays the advertising fees. Students are not permitted to promote their NIL activities during required school athletic events.

The board also states that schools have the authority to provide suites and tickets to NIL entities through sponsorships while ensuring that the same agreements apply to all other sponsors. However, assets cannot be used as incentives to fund the NIL entity.

The NCAA also clarified that schools may not provide equipment, graphic design work, or contract services unless these services are available to all students at the school. This includes cameras, computers, and other electronic devices

DI schools are permitted to interact with booster-supported collectives in limited ways.

First and foremost, school employees are not permitted to work for or own collectives.

For donation purposes, institutions may promote fundraising for NIL entities by providing signed memorabilia or arranging student-athlete appearances. However, they are not permitted to make direct donations or cash payments to these organizations. Institutions may direct donor funds to collectives when fundraising, but they may not specify which student-athlete or sport these funds should be directed to.

Finally, colleges and universities are permitted to provide tickets to NIL entities or collectives via sponsorships, as long as these tickets are provided under the same terms as other sponsorships. This clarification is intended to discourage favoritism.

 

[FloridaCuse]

I asked Google Search the following question --
"Do most university NIL collectives allow for designation to specific sports or only to a general fund that is shared among all sports?"

Here's Google AI's response: AI Overview:

Most university Name, Image, and Likeness (NIL) collectives allow for, and often encourage, donors to designate their contributions to specific sports, rather than only to a general fund. While many collectives are designed to support all athletes at a university, they commonly offer options to direct funds toward specific programs—most frequently football and men's/women's basketball—to meet the, often, sport-specific demands of donors and to aid in recruiting.

How NIL Collectives Handle Designations:

• Sport-Specific Targeting: Many donor-driven collectives allow supporters to choose which team their money supports, ensuring funds are directed toward the sports they are most passionate about.
• General Fund vs. Targeted Funds: Collectives may maintain a general fund for all sports, but often create separate, targeted funds to allow for higher revenue-generating sports (like football) to have dedicated pools of money, as noted in reports about donor-driven models.
• Individualized Support: Some collectives, particularly those using a 501(c)(3) nonprofit structure, may facilitate opportunities for athletes across various sports, including "Olympic" or non-revenue sports, by partnering with charities, although these are still often donor-designated.

Trends and Structures:

• Donor-Driven Collectives: This is the most common form, where funds from alumni and boosters are pooled to pay athletes for specific activities. These are frequently structured to honor donor preferences for specific sports.
• Player-Led Collectives: Some newer models, such as the "NIL Club" structure, allow fans to donate directly to a specific team (e.g., a football team), where the money is split equally among participating athletes.
• Charitable Models: Non-profit collectives can also be set up to focus on specific sports while benefiting community initiatives.

While the "general fund" model exists, the ability to designate specific sports is a key feature of many collectives designed to leverage booster enthusiasm for competitive advantage, especially in football. [Bold added by me.]

 

[HRE Otto IV]

in the most respectful way possible… we’re just gonna have to agree to disagree here, because the idea that you (and me and everyone else in here) knows how to operate this better than the schools in the football playoff and final fours is just too wild to argue with.

Schools are trying to figure this stuff out still. Especially with the new rules. Most of these new collectives are a few years old, if that.

 

[JRHEETER]

Another one that lets you choose sports -- and focuses on giveaways/enticements. Easy model to replicate.

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1PACK NIL

onepacknil.com

And this is why NCState is killing it in the NIL game.

I would easily signup for the $25 a month without thinking.

 

[richmondcuse03]

in the most respectful way possible… we’re just gonna have to agree to disagree here, because the idea that you (and me and everyone else in here) knows how to operate this better than the schools in the football playoff and final fours is just too wild to argue with.

The reason they have general models is because they can. Football dominates things at Georgia and Alabama. There's no reason to create additional administrative burden.

Should we model Uconn because they're in the final four? Oh wait, they don't even have a real collective. They just list the marketplace...https://nil.uconnhuskies.com/

Arizona, Arkansas and plenty of others have sport specific ones. SMU - peer program -- lets you select. Va Tech - a good peer to us as well -- the same. They also have a general all NIL sport version too. It's not hard to build in optionality.

There's no set way -- just because Georgia and Alabama do things one way, doesn't mean it's the right way.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

I asked Google Search the following question --
"Do most university NIL collectives allow for designation to specific sports or only to a general fund that is shared among all sports?"

Here's Google AI's response: AI Overview:

Most university Name, Image, and Likeness (NIL) collectives allow for, and often encourage, donors to designate their contributions to specific sports, rather than only to a general fund. While many collectives are designed to support all athletes at a university, they commonly offer options to direct funds toward specific programs—most frequently football and men's/women's basketball—to meet the, often, sport-specific demands of donors and to aid in recruiting.

How NIL Collectives Handle Designations:

• Sport-Specific Targeting: Many donor-driven collectives allow supporters to choose which team their money supports, ensuring funds are directed toward the sports they are most passionate about.
• General Fund vs. Targeted Funds: Collectives may maintain a general fund for all sports, but often create separate, targeted funds to allow for higher revenue-generating sports (like football) to have dedicated pools of money, as noted in reports about donor-driven models.
• Individualized Support: Some collectives, particularly those using a 501(c)(3) nonprofit structure, may facilitate opportunities for athletes across various sports, including "Olympic" or non-revenue sports, by partnering with charities, although these are still often donor-designated.

Trends and Structures:

• Donor-Driven Collectives: This is the most common form, where funds from alumni and boosters are pooled to pay athletes for specific activities. These are frequently structured to honor donor preferences for specific sports.
• Player-Led Collectives: Some newer models, such as the "NIL Club" structure, allow fans to donate directly to a specific team (e.g., a football team), where the money is split equally among participating athletes.
• Charitable Models: Non-profit collectives can also be set up to focus on specific sports while benefiting community initiatives.

While the "general fund" model exists, the ability to designate specific sports is a key feature of many collectives designed to leverage booster enthusiasm for competitive advantage, especially in football. [Bold added by me.]

That could be old though given the new rules.

 

[JRHEETER]

The reason they have general models is because they can. Football dominates things at Georgia and Alabama. There's no reason to create additional administrative burden.

Should we model Uconn because they're in the final four? Oh wait, they don't even have a real collective. They just list the marketplace...https://nil.uconnhuskies.com/

Arizona, Arkansas and plenty of others have sport specific ones. SMU - peer program -- lets you select. Va Tech - a good peer to us as well -- the same. They also have a general all NIL sport version too. It's not hard to build in optionality.

There's no set way -- just because Georgia and Alabama do things one way, doesn't mean it's the right way.

Which is sad about UConn because Syracuse has access to the Influencer website as well and it could be used in a very similar way.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

The reason they have general models is because they can. Football dominates things at Georgia and Alabama. There's no reason to create additional administrative burden.

Should we model Uconn because they're in the final four? Oh wait, they don't even have a real collective. They just list the marketplace...https://nil.uconnhuskies.com/

Arizona, Arkansas and plenty of others have sport specific ones. SMU - peer program -- lets you select. Va Tech - a good peer to us as well -- the same. They also have a general all NIL sport version too. It's not hard to build in optionality.

There's no set way -- just because Georgia and Alabama do things one way, doesn't mean it's the right way.

Wasn't Alabama struggling too to figure out NIL?

 

[SUFan44]

Ummmm... at surface level, this is going to piss a lot of people off.

Huge first black eye for Blair, and very early in his tenure.

 

[richmondcuse03]

Wasn't Alabama struggling too to figure out NIL?

a lot of them have struggled, yes, especially the ones that partnered with the now bankrupt entity (SANIL). Syracuse is not unique.

If I was going to model our effort after anyone, it would be LSU which is the most aggressive and successful of the collectives. There's a reason IMO why they let folks choose sports. It's deemed to be more fan friendly.

In the ACC, it looks like NC State, Va Tech, SMU let you designate to specific sports. Several others are undergoing transitions and then the rest are more general models or it's hard to find.

 

[richmondcuse03]

Which is sad about UConn because Syracuse has access to the Influencer website as well and it could be used in a very similar way.

I understand why we dont -- you cant promise folks money if it's on individual businesses to contract individually on all those deals. It should always be offered and promoted for athletes as another revenue source, but you can't agree to a rev share deal and then a contract with a collective if you have to rely on that portal.

 

[BronsonCuse]

Can someone with some juice tell the University just how poorly this was done? Big announcement and its a GoFundMe page... I mean seriously you can build a better interface in 1 hour. Second -- just a big donate button. No sport specific. No monthly subscriptions. No plan to incentivize grass roots etc.. I mean Im shocked how haphazard this was done.