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Message: [QUOTE="AZOrange, post: 78542, member: 278"] You pretend that the zone defense is some passive defense. Couldnt be further from the truth. Ask any coach that plays against it. Even teams that beat it (say Uconn, or Ville or Pitt) do so because of execution, not because they drain 34 seconds off the clock. Additionally, it is the defense and the turnover it creates that gets us into transition and less in the half court. All that said, you still havent answered the underlying question here which is if M2M is the defense that allows "elite" programs to "squeeze the guts of of the opponent" then how do they ever lose? How does Michigan State lose? How does Kentucky or Unc lose? They should be too busy squeezing guts. [/QUOTE]