One thing that is a lost art today...

[bpo57]

Here's your guy, then ...

(watch the first 35 seconds)

That guy is a live wire.

 

[upperdeck]

Not going to debate soccer (2 fouls and your gone for the match) and basketball (3 fouls and your sitting for the half and hurting your team) as it's easier for the ref to control. OP was talking about a simple pump fake as a skill that is lost art. It would work because to many defenders are out of control when they come out to defend without establishing position. That is a foul, even back in Naismith's day. Guess we just disagree on what is wrong with the sport. No one wants to watch a 3-0 NFL game while freezing their arse off in an outdoor stadium in December - unless you have the under.

back in those days there was no charge call at all..

 

[Ghost]

It's also not a defensive foul if the offensive player jumps into the defender in the NBA. Like always, college will soon follow, mostly because it's the correct call. I've seen guys jump sideways to draw contact and get to the line. I'm not sure how anyone ever thought that was correct. It is supposed to be a foul if you jump into a shooter while he is taking his natural shot but somehow that got perverted over the years.

Ditto. I hate that play - it's crafty, but it's such a crap call by the officials 80% of the time. The defender jumps, you hurl yourself wildly into them and get a call. It's the same on the post when the offensive player throws himself into the chest of the defender and gets the call all the time. If you initiate the contact you live with the results.

Officials suck. Those aren't fouls. All that crap hand checking and riding people's hips though on the wings - call that nonsense. They need to call more fouls to get the game back to being less of a contact sport - but the auto-calls for free-throws are silly.

Oh, he threw up an awkward shot - it must be a foul!

 

[Quazzum69]

Not going to debate soccer (2 fouls and your gone for the match) and basketball (3 fouls and your sitting for the half and hurting your team) as it's easier for the ref to control. OP was talking about a simple pump fake as a skill that is lost art. It would work because to many defenders are out of control when they come out to defend without establishing position. That is a foul, even back in Naismith's day. Guess we just disagree on what is wrong with the sport. No one wants to watch a 3-0 NFL game while freezing their arse off in an outdoor stadium in December - unless you have the under.

The shot fake should be used to get a defender in the air so you can drive around him, not to get him to foul you.
I don't think Naismith intended the object of the game to be to draw fouls. It's a complete bastardization of the game.