One thing to take solace in

[TheCusian]

Let's just hope we don't go to the 3-4 again



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Yep. Don't think we'll see it again. I just think they outsmarted themselves vs the triple option.

 

[RF2044]

Let's worry about regrouping and getting a W at home against Wake Forest. I don't see any games on the schedule as "gimmes" -- we need to find a way to claw out three more "W's."

 

[Millhouse]

is that the most negative, most hysterical, most over the top people here are the ones that were most certain and loudest that Marrone was a disaster here and a failure and that he was going to fail in Buffalo.

Given their track record of recent assessments and predictions Shafer will probably do okay.

Are there problems, absolutely. They are underperforming to the overall talent on the squad a bit. Not in the win/loss outcome, that is about as predicted, but within the game. The three games that were blowouts I assumed the defense was going to get lit up back in August, so not really surprised, but it's been worse than I thought it would be.

Not sure what the dynamics are overall, coaching, gameplanning, over all change, lack of leadership in the lockerroom, injuries, ...

Wake and BC are must wins, should wins. Split Pitt/Maryland and the season hits the mark.

People need to stop assuming no more wins going forward. There was a lot of that going into NCst.

The roster has been much improved over the last 5 years, but it's still the number one problem the program has. They need to get some impact players in the program, you can't out scheme and out effort your way to 8 wins every year, there's no magin for error. Obviously they need to get out of their own way with the gameplanning and in game, but if this is a staff that can improve the talent level, then wholesale changes is probably not the way to go.

There are still four peer games left, folks need to take a deep breath, suspend judgment and wait to see how this shakes out.

GT was 3-3 before that game. They're not a peer game? granted that's a tough stretch but still

Gerg did well in his peer games too. All 4 of them.

 

[sandman525]

is that the most negative, most hysterical, most over the top people here are the ones that were most certain and loudest that Marrone was a disaster here and a failure and that he was going to fail in Buffalo.

Given their track record of recent assessments and predictions Shafer will probably do okay.

Are there problems, absolutely. They are underperforming to the overall talent on the squad a bit. Not in the win/loss outcome, that is about as predicted, but within the game. The three games that were blowouts I assumed the defense was going to get lit up back in August, so not really surprised, but it's been worse than I thought it would be.

Not sure what the dynamics are overall, coaching, gameplanning, over all change, lack of leadership in the lockerroom, injuries, ...

Wake and BC are must wins, should wins. Split Pitt/Maryland and the season hits the mark.

People need to stop assuming no more wins going forward. There was a lot of that going into NCst.

The roster has been much improved over the last 5 years, but it's still the number one problem the program has. They need to get some impact players in the program, you can't out scheme and out effort your way to 8 wins every year, there's no magin for error. Obviously they need to get out of their own way with the gameplanning and in game, but if this is a staff that can improve the talent level, then wholesale changes is probably not the way to go.

There are still four peer games left, folks need to take a deep breath, suspend judgment and wait to see how this shakes out.

Thanks for a well thought out and rational post. The three blowouts are embarrassing, but we all expected those to be losses coming in to the season. We all knew this team would be made or broken in games against NC St, Wake, BC, Pitt and MD. Win 3 of those, which is still very possible, and the team goes bowling. Given how awful the QB and WR's are, I think that would be quite an accomplishment.

 

[44cuse]

Everything in sports is cyclical. The ACC was down for a bit and is back to having 3 top 10 teams, 4 top 15.

The SEC is down a bit this year but the pollsters keep them in it. Bama is gifted the NC game unless they screw up, LSU is LSU which is strong D + ? every year. Mizzou has made a meteoric rise through the rankings solely on the premise of being in the SEC. If they were still B12 they'd be ranked about 15th right now. PAC12 had USC fall off, Oregon as the bread winner and Stanford as a clear #2 team. Behind that UW is trying to take USC's place but not quite there yet. End game, they only ever have 3 good teams in a given year. B1G is OSU and everyone else. They recruit well but it doesn't really translate to on field performance. BEVO is a cluster with no solid defenses. They look like the 90s/early 2000's PAC10 at the moment.

Arguement can be made that the ACC is the strongest conference top to bottom this year and may be for the forseeable future.

That was the point. Agree with all that.

The point was: the BE was worse than some people made it out to be on this board.

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[ImperialOrange]

That was the point. Agree with all that.

The point was: the BE was worse than some people made it out to be on this board.

44cuse


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The BE was stronger last year then it's members (current AAC + ACC) are this year. Cuse lost a lot on offense (obviously), Rutgers graduated a lot from last years stingy defense, UConn is just continuing a down ward trajectory, Lville is about the same, Cinci is in a rebuilding cycle, USF graduated a ton of players, etc. The BE, as a whole, mimmicked mid major basketball schools. Most could be competitive every other year and make a serious run every 4 years or so. The teams from last years BE are almost all in the downward segment of their build cycles thus everyone assuming Lville would walk away with it. The wildcard is UCF who has been solid and slowly building similar to the way we thought our program would at this point but UCF wouldve likely competed for the BE crown last year as well had they been in conference.

 

[rosconey]

i think the game planning is all about coloring inside the lines - the way we start games has me wondering if they do any actual game planning-
i think they just get out a big coloring book and try like hell to stay within the lines- btw i heard cb colors his sky's green- he just doesnt have a clue

 

[Pyle]

Stop it. WF and BC were two of the worst teams in BCS conferences last year. They have improved, and SU has regressed, but the gap hasn't closed, let alone either of those programs passing us, and the games are at home.

1-85 SU is better than either one of those teams.

You underestimate our regression. 3 blowout losses. NW has lost 2 straight and is 0-3 in the B1G, Clemson is NOT a NC team...at all, and GT is fighting for a playoff berth. Zero points against a 3-3 team. This cannot be stressed enough. We shouldn't be talking about beating anyone at this point.

 

[weakstraw]

You underestimate our regression. 3 blowout losses. NW has lost 2 straight and is 0-3 in the B1G, Clemson is NOT a NC team...at all, and GT is fighting for a playoff berth. Zero points against a 3-3 team. This cannot be stressed enough. We shouldn't be talking about beating anyone at this point.

NW lost their QB Cain Colter. They are a much different team. But other than that, we should not be saying we can beat anyone.

 

[Pyle]

NW lost their QB Cain Colter. They are a much different team. But other than that, we should not be saying we can beat anyone.

We got whooped by the other guy too. Don't forget. Both of their QBs had their way with CB.

 

[44cuse]

The BE was stronger last year then it's members (current AAC + ACC) are this year. Cuse lost a lot on offense (obviously), Rutgers graduated a lot from last years stingy defense, UConn is just continuing a down ward trajectory, Lville is about the same, Cinci is in a rebuilding cycle, USF graduated a ton of players, etc. The BE, as a whole, mimmicked mid major basketball schools. Most could be competitive every other year and make a serious run every 4 years or so. The teams from last years BE are almost all in the downward segment of their build cycles thus everyone assuming Lville would walk away with it. The wildcard is UCF who has been solid and slowly building similar to the way we thought our program would at this point but UCF wouldve likely competed for the BE crown last year as well had they been in conference.

The Big East didn't have down cycles. It had short flare ups of above average play from a small subset of its members.

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[AZOrange]

Agreed on need to upgrade players Go. But I'd be surprised if we win more than 1 game coming home.

 

[Orangepace]

Maryland without Stepfon Diggs = UConn and I'm not exaggerating. Edsall must have sold his soul to get to the BCS, because his tenure with Maryland has been plagued by injuries. This game became a should win from a 50/50.

Maryland. Con-U.

 

[TheCusian]

Clemson might not be the NC contender - but they are by far the 2nd best team in the ACC. Miami is third.