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I decided to analyze what we gained and what we lost using the Net Points System, (points+rebounds+assists+steals+blocks minus missed field goals+missed free throws+turnovers+fouls). I’ll limit myself to the Jim Boeheim Era and to scholarship players. The problem is that in the first four years, I don’t have complete information on minutes, steals, blocks and turnovers. The thing is, steals, blocks and turnovers approximately cancel each other out. I can use the available numbers to come up with an approximation of a player’s net points. Instead of net points per 40 minutes I could divide the player’s net points by the team’s net points to get a percentage of the team’s net points that player produced. Then I could use that to compare their output at Syracuse to their output at their new school. I’ll add in the teams’ won-lost record and number of NCAA wins and the player’s net points as an NBA player, (if any). If a player played for two NBA teams in a season, I used proration based on minutes played to estimate the percentage of net points accounted for. I also added the names of players they played behind while here.
Sources:
www.sports-reference.com
Players Who Transferred From Syracuse
1976 Billy Keys 38NP (2.0%) / 20-9/ 0 NCAA wins / behind Dale Shackelford, Marty Byrnes, (JB told him He was the 14th guy on the depth chart)
To Tulsa 569NP in three years (12.7%) / 30-51 / 0 NCAA wins / starter
no NBA
1977 Reggie Powell 46NP in two years (1.0%) / 46-13/ 1 NCAA win / behind Dale Shackelford, Marty Byrnes and Louie Orr
To Pratt Institute Division III schools whose statistics I could not find / no NCAA wins
no NBA
1977 Cliff Warwell 34NP (1.3%) / 26-4 / 1 NCAA win / behind Dale Schackelford and Larry Kelley
To Northeastern Louisiana -never played there
To Ithaca 124NP (7.8%) / 12-12/ 0 NCAA wins / starter
no NBA
1979 Ed Gooding 8NP (0.3%) / 26-4 /1 NCAA win / behind Louie Orr and Dale Schackelford
To Iona 84NP in three years (1.5%) / 65-28 / 1 NCAA win (DNP) / behind Alex Middleton and Mike Palma
Gary Springer, etc.
no NBA
1979 Rich Harmon 144NP (5.2%) / 26-4 /1 NCAA win / behind Marty Headd, Hal Cohen and Eddie Moss
To Old Dominion: injured his knee and never played.
1981 Mike Sheehey 36NP in 2 years (0.7%) / 48-16 / 1 NCAA win / behind Eric Santifer, Tony Bruin
To St. Bonaventure 630NP in two years (17.1%) / 38-23 / 0 NCAA wins / starter
no NBA
1983 Roger Rollocks is not listed on the Orange Hoops site either as a player or transfer, probably because he never played a game here but he’s in the 1982-83 SU Basketball Yearbook. Leo Rautins, Tony Bruin and Rafael Addison were ahead of him.
He was a Canadian who came in with John Karpis. He returned to Canada and played for 4 years with U of Toronto 668NP (24.1%) / 40-33 / 0 NCAA wins / starter
no NBA
1984 John Karpis 22NP in two years (0.6%) / 44-19 / 2 NCAA wins / behind Leo Rautins and Andre Hawkins
Transferred to Boston U. but never played there.
Transferred to U. of Toronto for one year: 167NP (26.1%) / 11-9 / no NCAA wins / starter
no NBA
1985 Michael Brown 242NP in two years (5.0%) / 48-15 / 2 NCAA wins / behind Rafael Addison and Greg Monroe
To Clemson 151NP (5.7%) / 25-6 / 0 NCAA wins / behind Michael Tait
no NBA
1985 George Papadakos 52NP in two years (1.2%) / 45-18 / 2 NCAA wins / behind Rony Seikaly, Andre Hawkins
To Michigan State 324NP in two years (9.7%) / 21-35 / no NCAA wins / starter
no NBA
1987 Rodney Walker 121NP in two years (2.0%) / 57-13 / 6 NCAA wins / behind Rony Seikaly and Derrick Coleman
To Maryland 9NP in two years (0.2%) / 27-33 / 1 NCAA win (DNP) / behind Derrick Lewis, Tony Massenberg and Jerrod Mustaf
no NBA
1988 Earl Duncan 241NP (8.0%) 26-9 / 1 NCAA win / behind Sherman Douglas and Stevie Thompson
To Rutgers 750NP in 2 years (19.2%) 37-27 / 0 NCAA wins / starter
no NBA
1988 Keith Hughes 72NP in two years (1.2%) / 57-16 / 6 NCAA wins / behind Derrick Coleman
To Rutgers 1093NP in 2 years (28.0%) 37-27 / 0 NCAA wins / starter
no NBA
1989 Matt Roe 548NP in 3 years (5.6%) / 87-24 / 9 NCAA wins /Not behind but challenged by Dave Johnson
To Maryland 341NP (17.2%) / 16-12 / 0 NCAA wins / starter
no NBA
1990 Richard Manning 123NP in two years (2.0%) / 56-15 / 5 NCAA wins / behind LeRon Ellis and Derrick Coleman
To Washington 849NP in two years (25.7%) / 25-31 / 0 NCAA wins / starter
NBA: two years with 2 teams 87NP (0.8%) / 38-129 / 0 playoff wins / behind Ashraf Amaya, Anthony Avent, Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Roy Rogers, Loy Vaught, Bo Outlaw, etc.
1990 Tony Scott 108NP (1.8%) / 56-15 / 5 NCAA wins / behind Billy Owens and Dave Johnson
To Texas A&M where he became academically ineligible and never played.
He declared for the NBA draft and was never drafted and never played in the NBA
1993 Anthony Harris 20NP (1.0%) / 22-10 / 1 NCAA win / behind Adrian Autry and Mike Hopkins
At Hawaii 400NP in two years (12.0%) 26-31 / 0 NCAA wins / starter
no NBA
1993 Glen Sekunda 139NP in two years (3.5%) / 42-19 / 1 NCAA win / behind Lawrence Moten and Luke Jackson
To Penn State 918NP in two years (22.1%) / 42-18 / 0 NCAA wins / starter
no NBA
1994 Chucky Gelatt 28NP (1.2%) / 23-7 / 2 NCAA wins / behind John Wallace
To Barton JC, then DePaul 140NP in two years (5.2%) 14-41 / 0 NCAA wins / starter
no NBA
1996 Bobby Lazor 80NP in two years (1.6%) / 49-19 / 6 NCAA wins / behind John Wallace
To Arizona State 1061NP in two years (23.8%) / 32-30 / 0 NCAA wins/ starter
no NBA
1996 David Patrick 11NP (0.4%) / 29-9 / 5 NCAA wins / behind Lazarus Sims
To SW Louisiana (Lafayette) 103NP in three years (1.9%) / 56-38 / no NCAA wins / behind Carey Green, Tyrone Foster, Blaine Harmon, Billy Jones
no NBA
1997 Ramel 'Rock' Lloyd 52NP (2.4%) / 19-13 / 0 NCAA wins / behind Jason Hart and Marius Janulis
To Long Beach State 762 NP in three years (14.0%) / 55-34 / 0 NCAA wins / starter
no NBA
1998 LeSean Howard 75NP in two years (1.7%) 45-22 / 2 NCAA wins / behind Todd Burgan and Marius Janulis
To Long Beach State, reshirted, and then
to Hampton 482NO in two years (11.8%) 42-19 1NCAA win Howard played and had 5NP in a 58-57 win over Iowa State / starter
no NBA
1998 Sam Spann -3NP (0%) / 26-9 / 2 NCAA wins / behind Todd Burgan and Ryan Blackwell
To Fairfield 928NP in three years (15.9%) / 38-48 / 0 NCAA wins / starter
no NBA
1999 Eric Williams 145NP in two years (3.5%) / 47-21 / 2 NCAA wins / behind Ryan Blackwell and Damone Brown
To Massachusetts 279NP in two years (9.2%) / 28-31 / 0 NCAA wins / behind Micah Brand and Winston Smith
no NBA
2000 Tony Bland 274NP in two years (5.7%) 47-18 / 2 NCAA wins / behind Preston Shumpert and DeShaun Williams
To San Diego State 746NP in two years (19.7%) 37-26/ 0 NCAA wins / starter
no NBA
2002 Greg Davis -6NP in two years (0%) 48-22/ 1 NCAA win / Damone Brown and Kueth Duany
To North Carolina A&T 66NP in two years (3.9%) 9-49/ 0 NCAA wins / behind Greg s and Jeff Alvis.
no NBA
2002 Mark Konecny -2NP (0%) 23-13 / 0 NCAA wins / behind Craig Forth and Hakim Warrick
To Central Florida, Iona, and the College of South Idaho, Yavapai CC and Lambeth University (Tenn), an NAIA school that no longer exits. (That’s about as obscure as it gets.) Orangehoops has his statistical positives, which total 416 in two years but no negatives and no information about the teams he played on.
no NBA
2002 James Thues 342NP in two years (6.5%) / 53-18 / 6 NCAA wins / starter
To Detroit Mercy 437NP in two years (14.1%) / 33-27 / 0 NCAA wins / starter
no NBA
2002 DeShaun Williams 704NP in three years (9.8%) / 74-28 / 3 NCAA wins / behind no one. Was asked to leave the school due to off-the-court problems.
To Iona 188NP (10.5%) / 11-18 / 0 NCAA wins / starter
no NBA
2005 Billy Edelin 512NP in three years (6.8%) / 80-20 / 8 NCAA wins / behind Louie McCroskey
To Mountain State (WVa) but never played there.
no NBA
2005 Dayshawn Wright 16NP (0.6%) / 27-7 / 0 NCAA wins / behind Hakim Warrick and Terrance Roberts
To Mountain State (WVa) where he failed to qualify academically
no NBA
2006 Louie McCroskey 310NP (4.4%) / 73-27 / 2 NCAA wins / behind Eric Devendorf
To Marist 155NP (9.9%) / 18-14 / 0 NCAA wins / starter
no NBA
2007 Mike Jones 12NP (0.5%) 24-11 / 0 NCAA wins / behind Demetris Nichols
To South Carolina but never played there.
no MBA
2008 Josh Wright 368NP in four years (3.6%) / 95-44 / 0 NCAA wins / behind Gerry McNamara and Eric Devendorf. Left team after 4 games in senior year
To Ottawa U. (Canada) Played for then in 2008-09, averaging 17ppg. They made it to #2 in the Canadian polls and to their Elite 8. I don’t have anything more specific than that
no NBA
2009 Sean Williams 3NP in two years (0.05%) / 49-24 / 2 NCAA wins / behind Arinze Onuaku and Rick Jackson
To Cal State Fullerton where he failed to qualify academically.
no NBA
2011 DaShonte Riley (actually played in 2010: was injured in 2011, then transferred)
26NP (0.8%) / 30-5 / 2 NCAA wins / behind Arinze Onuaku and Rick Jackson
To Eastern Michigan 570NP in three years (12.3%) / 52-21 / 0 NCAA wins / starter
no NBA
2015 BJ Johnson 86NP in two years (2.0%) 36-19/ 1 NCAA win / behind Chris McCullough, Tyler Roberson and Michael Gbinije
To LaSalle 876NP in two years (24.2%) 23-40/ 0 NCAA wins / starter
NBA: 28NP two years with three teams (0.3%) / 64-91 / 0 playoff wins / Taurean Prince, Harrison Barnes and Evan Fournier
2015 Ron Patterson 66NP in two years (1.5%) / 46-19 / 1 NCAA win/ behind Tyler Ennis, Trevor Cooney and Kaleb Joseph
To IUPUI 387NP in two years (10.7%) / 25-37 / 0 NCAA wins / starter
(Can’t they come up with a better name than Indiana University Purdue University at Indianapolis?)
no NBA
2016 Kaleb Joseph 152NP in two years (3.7%) / 41-27 / 4 NCAA wins / behind Michael Gbinije
To Creighton 186NP in two years (3.6%) / 41-27 / 0 NCAA wins / behind Khyri Thomas and Davion Mintz
no NBA
2016 Chinoso Obokoh 24NP in 2 years (0.4%) / 41-27 / 4 NCAA wins / behind Rakeem Christmas, Chris McCullough, DaJuan Coleman
To St. Bonaventure ONP (0%) / 20-12 / 0 NCAA wins / behind Amadi Ikpeze
no NBA
2017 Taurean Thompson 253NP (9.9%) / 19-15 / 0 NCAA / took over center spot from DaJuan Coleman
To Seton Hall 72NP in two years (1.7%) / 41-23 / 0 NCAA / behind Michael Nzei, Sandro Mamukelashvili
To Detroit Mercy 0NP (0%) / 12-10 / 0 NCAA wins / Bul Kuol, Chris Brandon
College career just ended – unlikely to be drafted by NBA
2018 Matthew Moyer 137NP (6.1%) / 23-14 / 3 NCAA wins / behind Marek Dolezaj and Oshae Brissett
To Vanderbilt 106NP (3.1%) / 20-44 / 0 NCAA wins / behind Aaron Nesmith, Simisola Shittu and Dillon Disu
To George Washington 149NP (15.1%) / 5-12 / 0 NCAA wins / starter
College career just ended – unlikely to be drafted by NBA
2020 Jalen Carey 55NP in two years (1.3%) 38-28/ 0 NCAA wins / behind Joe Girard
To Rhode Island 52NP (3.4%) 10-15 / 0 NCAA wins / still in college
2020 Brycen Goodine 25NP (1.1%) 18-14/ no NCAA tournament / behind Joe Girard and Jalen Carey
To Providence 14NP (0.9%) / 0 NCAA wins/ still in college
2020 Howard Washington 67NP (1.0%) / 61-42 / 3 NCAA wins / behind Frank Howard and Joe Girard
To South Alabama, opted out of 2021 season due to Covid. Will have another year of eligibility.
2021 Kadary Richmond 222NP (10.5%) / 18-10 / 2 NCAA wins / behind Joe Girard
To Seton Hall for next season
I count 45 guys who transferred from Syracuse in the Boeheim Era. 12 of those never played a game at the Division 1 level again. Of the 33 that did, 7 saw their percentage of their team’s net points go down, (although in Matthew Moyer’s case it went back up after he transferred again). But 26 players did become more important to their next team than they had been to us. The 33 players that played for another Division 1 school produced 4,476 net points here and 13,728 there. So, on the whole they improved their playing time and production. What about team success? That probably wasn’t their goal but let’s look at it anyway: At Syracuse they’d played on teams that went 1382-574, (which obviously involves a lot of the same games), 0.707% winning percentage with 91 NCAA wins, (also duplicates). Their new teams went 727-929 (0.439%) and won 3 NCAA tournament games. Three. And Ed Gooding and Rodney Walker didn’t play in the NCAA games their teams won. LeSean Howard played in Howard University’s 58-57 upset of Iowa State in 2001 LeSean had 10 points, 5 rebounds and 3 assists and a total of 5NP. That’s the extent of NCAA glory achieved by these 45 players after they left SU.
Iowa State vs. Hampton Box Score, March 15, 2001 | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com
Of course their ultimate goal was to find a place to showcase their talents for the NBA. of the 45 players, exactly two of them played in the NBA: Richard Manning and B.J. Johnson. Richard played for two years for the Vancouver Grizzlies and the LA Clippers, who totaled 38 wins and 129 losses, (he played for two teams during the same year – pro-rated their combined records by the number of games Richard played with each). Manning produced 87 NBA net points, 0.8% of those team’s outputs. BJ Johnson played for two years and thus far has been in the G-League this year. He’s played for three NBA teams in two years with a prorated record of 64-91. BJ produced 28NP, 0.3% of his teams’ output. Obviously, he’s not done yet. That’s how much the NBA has seen of these 45 guys.
Here's an all-star team of ex-SU players because on upon the total number of net points they produced for their new, (D-1), teams: Keith Hughes 1093, Bobby Lazor 1061, Sam Spann 928, Glenn Sekunda 918, BJ Johnson 876, Richard Manning 849, Ramel Lloyd 762, Earl Duncan 750, Tony Bland 746 and Mike Sheehey 630. Manning, (6-11 253) would be the center. The forwards are Lazor, (6-8 215), Sekunda (6-7 215), Hughes (6-7 210), Johnson (6-7 185) and Spann (6-5 210) are the forwards. Duncan, (6-3 195, Lloyd (6-4 220), Sheehy (6-4 210) and Bland (6-4 180) are the guards. By NP, Hughes and Lazor should be the forwards but since BJ made the NBA, I’d pair him with Hughes. I’d go with Duncan and Lloyd in the backcourt. That would be a good college team.
Players who transferred to Syracuse from a 4 year school in the Boeheim Era
1980 Leo Rautins
From Minnesota 229NP (13.5%) / 11-16 / 0 NCAA wins / starter
At Syracuse 1102 NP in three years (16.9%) / 59-35 / 1 NCAA win / starter
NBA: 28NP in two years (0.2%) / 88-81 / 2 playoff wins / behind Julius Erving, Clint Richardson, Dominique Wilkins, Sly Williams
1981 Chris Lewis
From Wisconsin-Milwaukee 148NP (8.9%) / 9-17 / 0 NCAA wins / starter
At Syracuse 111NP (2.6%) / 37-23 / 1 NCAA win / no NBA
1989 LeRon Ellis
From Kentucky 519 NP in two years (11.5%) / 38-24 / 2 NCAA wins / starter
At Syracuse 612NP in two years (11.6%) / 52-13 / 2 NCAA wins / starter
NBA: 268NP in three years for three teams (1.3%) / 130-124 / 2 playoff wins / behind Olden Polynice, James Edwards, Alonzo Mourning, Frank Brickowski, Danny Schayes
1996 Ryan Blackwell
From Illinois 110NP (5.5%) /18-13 / 0 NCAA wins / behind Bryant Notree, Jerrod Gee and Chris Gandy
At Syracuse 1283NP (19.2%) / 73-27 / 4 NCAA wins / starter
no NBA
1999 Ethan Cole
From New Hampshire 249NP in two years (10.2%) / 14-40 / 0 NCAA wins / starter
At Syracuse 14NP in two years (0.3%) / 48-22 / 1 NCAA win / behind Bill Celuck, Craig Forth, Damone Brown and Hakim Warrick
no NBA
2010 Wes Johnson
From Iowa State 595NP in two years (18.0%) / 29-34 / 0 NCAA wins / starter
At Syracuse 685NP (22.9%) / 30-5 / 2 NCAA wins /starter
NBA: 9 years 3455NP (5.8%) / 253-388 / 5 NBA playoff wins / started his first four years.
2012 Michael Gbinije
From Duke 20NP (0.9%) / 27-7 / 0 NCAA wins, (they lost to Lehigh) / behind Ryan Kelly and Josh Hairston
At Syracuse 976NP in three years (14.1%) / 69-33 / 5 NCAA wins / starter
NBA -2NP (0%) / 37-45 / 0 playoff wins
2015 Paschal Chukwu
From Providence 95NP (4.4%) / 22-12 / 0 NCAA wins/ behind Carson Desrosiers
At Syracuse 616NP in three years (9.0%) / 62-43 / 3 NCAA wins / starter
no NBA
2016 John Gillon
From Arkansas-Little Rock 190NP (13.1%) / 17-15 / 0 NCAA wins / behind Josh Hagins
From Colorado State 557NP (12.3%) / 45-23 / 0 NCAA wins / starter
At Syracuse 364NP (14.3%) / 19-15 / 0 NCAA wins / starter
no NBA
2016 Andrew White
From Kansas 55NP in two years (1.0%) / 56-16 / 3 NCAA wins / Ben McLemore, Travis Relford, Andrew Wiggins
From Nebraska 455NP (21.8%) / 16-18 / 0 NCAA wins / starter
At Syracuse 488NP (19.1%) / 19-15 / 0 NCAA wins / starter
NBA: 42NP (0.5%) / 24-58/ 0 playoff wins / Taurean Prince
2017 Geno Thorpe
From Penn State 240NP (6.5%) / 34-34 / 0 NCAA wins / starter
From South Florida 288NP (19.9%) / 7-23 / 0 NCAA wins/ starter
At Syracuse 14NP (0.6%) / 23-14 / 3 NCAA wins / behind Frank Howard and Tyus Battle
2018 Elijah Hughes
From East Carolina 106NP (6.1%) / 15-18 / 0 NCAA wins / behind Kentrell Barkley
At Syracuse 869NP (20.2%) / 38-28 / 0 NCAA wins / starter
NBA: 21NP (0.3%) / 40-13 so far / behind Bojan Bogdanović and Royce O'Neale
2020 Alan Griffin
From Illinois 319NP (8.3%) / 33-31 / 0 NCAA wins/ behind Ayo Dosunmu, Trent Frazier and Aaron Jordan
To Syracuse 372NP (17.7%) / 18-10 / 2 NCAA wins / starter
Declared for the NBA draft.
That makes 13 scholarship players who have transferred into SU during the Boeheim Era. These 13 guys totaled 4,506 NP at their last stop and 7,496 at SU, increasing their importance to the team, (by NP%) from 10.9% to 12.9%. They’ve gone from teams that went 286-273 (.512) with 2 NCAA wins, (not including Andrew White’s time as a deep bench reserve at Kansas where they went 56-16 with 3 NCAA wins), to 547-292 (.652) at Syracuse with 24 NCAA wins. So they got more production here and a lot more team glory. Six of the 13 guys have played in the NBA, totaling 3812NP, (compared to 115 for Manning and Johnson). Their teams have gone 660-709 (.482) with 9 playoff wins.
As to an all-star team, the top ten guys are Ryan Blackwell (1283), Leo Rautins (1102), Michael Gbinije (976), Elijah Hughes (869), Wes Johnson (685), Paschal Chukwu (616), LeRon Ellis (612), Andrew White (488), Alan Griffin (372), John Gillon (364). Ellis, (6-9 225) and Chukwu (7-2, 226) are centers. Blackwell, (6-7 220), Rautins (6-8 215), Johnson (6-7 198), Hughes (6-6 210) and Griffin (6-5 205) are forwards. Gbinije (6-7 200) could play everything from 1-3. White (6-7 210) is a swingman Gillon (6-0 178) was the one true point guard and had two historically memorable games but was very inconsistent. I think I’d go with Chukwu, Rautins, Johnson, (barely over Hughes), White and Gbinije. I’d favor that team over the all-star team of guys who transferred out.
From this I conclude that players might find more playing time elsewhere but not necessarily become better players. They certainly aren’t likely to get as much team glory where they are likely to wind up than they would have enjoyed at Syracuse. And they are more likely to get to the NBA if they can impress Jim Boeheim enough to make them part of his rotation. I think this bodes well for JB’s use of the transfer portal. But we’ve never lost anybody who performed as well here as Kadary Richmond and Robert Braswell and Woody Newton would also out-ranked most of the people on the first list. It’s a new world but one in which a really good player would be well advised to take his chances here.
Sources:
Syracuse Orangemen Basketball Transfers
List of Syracuse University Basketball players that played for the Orangemen, and tranferred to another college, or transferred from another college.
orangehoops.org
Men's and Women's College Basketball Statistics and History | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com
College Basketball Statistics and History
www.sports-reference.com
Players Who Transferred From Syracuse
1976 Billy Keys 38NP (2.0%) / 20-9/ 0 NCAA wins / behind Dale Shackelford, Marty Byrnes, (JB told him He was the 14th guy on the depth chart)
To Tulsa 569NP in three years (12.7%) / 30-51 / 0 NCAA wins / starter
no NBA
1977 Reggie Powell 46NP in two years (1.0%) / 46-13/ 1 NCAA win / behind Dale Shackelford, Marty Byrnes and Louie Orr
To Pratt Institute Division III schools whose statistics I could not find / no NCAA wins
no NBA
1977 Cliff Warwell 34NP (1.3%) / 26-4 / 1 NCAA win / behind Dale Schackelford and Larry Kelley
To Northeastern Louisiana -never played there
To Ithaca 124NP (7.8%) / 12-12/ 0 NCAA wins / starter
no NBA
1979 Ed Gooding 8NP (0.3%) / 26-4 /1 NCAA win / behind Louie Orr and Dale Schackelford
To Iona 84NP in three years (1.5%) / 65-28 / 1 NCAA win (DNP) / behind Alex Middleton and Mike Palma
Gary Springer, etc.
no NBA
1979 Rich Harmon 144NP (5.2%) / 26-4 /1 NCAA win / behind Marty Headd, Hal Cohen and Eddie Moss
To Old Dominion: injured his knee and never played.
1981 Mike Sheehey 36NP in 2 years (0.7%) / 48-16 / 1 NCAA win / behind Eric Santifer, Tony Bruin
To St. Bonaventure 630NP in two years (17.1%) / 38-23 / 0 NCAA wins / starter
no NBA
1983 Roger Rollocks is not listed on the Orange Hoops site either as a player or transfer, probably because he never played a game here but he’s in the 1982-83 SU Basketball Yearbook. Leo Rautins, Tony Bruin and Rafael Addison were ahead of him.
He was a Canadian who came in with John Karpis. He returned to Canada and played for 4 years with U of Toronto 668NP (24.1%) / 40-33 / 0 NCAA wins / starter
no NBA
1984 John Karpis 22NP in two years (0.6%) / 44-19 / 2 NCAA wins / behind Leo Rautins and Andre Hawkins
Transferred to Boston U. but never played there.
Transferred to U. of Toronto for one year: 167NP (26.1%) / 11-9 / no NCAA wins / starter
no NBA
1985 Michael Brown 242NP in two years (5.0%) / 48-15 / 2 NCAA wins / behind Rafael Addison and Greg Monroe
To Clemson 151NP (5.7%) / 25-6 / 0 NCAA wins / behind Michael Tait
no NBA
1985 George Papadakos 52NP in two years (1.2%) / 45-18 / 2 NCAA wins / behind Rony Seikaly, Andre Hawkins
To Michigan State 324NP in two years (9.7%) / 21-35 / no NCAA wins / starter
no NBA
1987 Rodney Walker 121NP in two years (2.0%) / 57-13 / 6 NCAA wins / behind Rony Seikaly and Derrick Coleman
To Maryland 9NP in two years (0.2%) / 27-33 / 1 NCAA win (DNP) / behind Derrick Lewis, Tony Massenberg and Jerrod Mustaf
no NBA
1988 Earl Duncan 241NP (8.0%) 26-9 / 1 NCAA win / behind Sherman Douglas and Stevie Thompson
To Rutgers 750NP in 2 years (19.2%) 37-27 / 0 NCAA wins / starter
no NBA
1988 Keith Hughes 72NP in two years (1.2%) / 57-16 / 6 NCAA wins / behind Derrick Coleman
To Rutgers 1093NP in 2 years (28.0%) 37-27 / 0 NCAA wins / starter
no NBA
1989 Matt Roe 548NP in 3 years (5.6%) / 87-24 / 9 NCAA wins /Not behind but challenged by Dave Johnson
To Maryland 341NP (17.2%) / 16-12 / 0 NCAA wins / starter
no NBA
1990 Richard Manning 123NP in two years (2.0%) / 56-15 / 5 NCAA wins / behind LeRon Ellis and Derrick Coleman
To Washington 849NP in two years (25.7%) / 25-31 / 0 NCAA wins / starter
NBA: two years with 2 teams 87NP (0.8%) / 38-129 / 0 playoff wins / behind Ashraf Amaya, Anthony Avent, Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Roy Rogers, Loy Vaught, Bo Outlaw, etc.
1990 Tony Scott 108NP (1.8%) / 56-15 / 5 NCAA wins / behind Billy Owens and Dave Johnson
To Texas A&M where he became academically ineligible and never played.
He declared for the NBA draft and was never drafted and never played in the NBA
1993 Anthony Harris 20NP (1.0%) / 22-10 / 1 NCAA win / behind Adrian Autry and Mike Hopkins
At Hawaii 400NP in two years (12.0%) 26-31 / 0 NCAA wins / starter
no NBA
1993 Glen Sekunda 139NP in two years (3.5%) / 42-19 / 1 NCAA win / behind Lawrence Moten and Luke Jackson
To Penn State 918NP in two years (22.1%) / 42-18 / 0 NCAA wins / starter
no NBA
1994 Chucky Gelatt 28NP (1.2%) / 23-7 / 2 NCAA wins / behind John Wallace
To Barton JC, then DePaul 140NP in two years (5.2%) 14-41 / 0 NCAA wins / starter
no NBA
1996 Bobby Lazor 80NP in two years (1.6%) / 49-19 / 6 NCAA wins / behind John Wallace
To Arizona State 1061NP in two years (23.8%) / 32-30 / 0 NCAA wins/ starter
no NBA
1996 David Patrick 11NP (0.4%) / 29-9 / 5 NCAA wins / behind Lazarus Sims
To SW Louisiana (Lafayette) 103NP in three years (1.9%) / 56-38 / no NCAA wins / behind Carey Green, Tyrone Foster, Blaine Harmon, Billy Jones
no NBA
1997 Ramel 'Rock' Lloyd 52NP (2.4%) / 19-13 / 0 NCAA wins / behind Jason Hart and Marius Janulis
To Long Beach State 762 NP in three years (14.0%) / 55-34 / 0 NCAA wins / starter
no NBA
1998 LeSean Howard 75NP in two years (1.7%) 45-22 / 2 NCAA wins / behind Todd Burgan and Marius Janulis
To Long Beach State, reshirted, and then
to Hampton 482NO in two years (11.8%) 42-19 1NCAA win Howard played and had 5NP in a 58-57 win over Iowa State / starter
no NBA
1998 Sam Spann -3NP (0%) / 26-9 / 2 NCAA wins / behind Todd Burgan and Ryan Blackwell
To Fairfield 928NP in three years (15.9%) / 38-48 / 0 NCAA wins / starter
no NBA
1999 Eric Williams 145NP in two years (3.5%) / 47-21 / 2 NCAA wins / behind Ryan Blackwell and Damone Brown
To Massachusetts 279NP in two years (9.2%) / 28-31 / 0 NCAA wins / behind Micah Brand and Winston Smith
no NBA
2000 Tony Bland 274NP in two years (5.7%) 47-18 / 2 NCAA wins / behind Preston Shumpert and DeShaun Williams
To San Diego State 746NP in two years (19.7%) 37-26/ 0 NCAA wins / starter
no NBA
2002 Greg Davis -6NP in two years (0%) 48-22/ 1 NCAA win / Damone Brown and Kueth Duany
To North Carolina A&T 66NP in two years (3.9%) 9-49/ 0 NCAA wins / behind Greg s and Jeff Alvis.
no NBA
2002 Mark Konecny -2NP (0%) 23-13 / 0 NCAA wins / behind Craig Forth and Hakim Warrick
To Central Florida, Iona, and the College of South Idaho, Yavapai CC and Lambeth University (Tenn), an NAIA school that no longer exits. (That’s about as obscure as it gets.) Orangehoops has his statistical positives, which total 416 in two years but no negatives and no information about the teams he played on.
no NBA
2002 James Thues 342NP in two years (6.5%) / 53-18 / 6 NCAA wins / starter
To Detroit Mercy 437NP in two years (14.1%) / 33-27 / 0 NCAA wins / starter
no NBA
2002 DeShaun Williams 704NP in three years (9.8%) / 74-28 / 3 NCAA wins / behind no one. Was asked to leave the school due to off-the-court problems.
To Iona 188NP (10.5%) / 11-18 / 0 NCAA wins / starter
no NBA
2005 Billy Edelin 512NP in three years (6.8%) / 80-20 / 8 NCAA wins / behind Louie McCroskey
To Mountain State (WVa) but never played there.
no NBA
2005 Dayshawn Wright 16NP (0.6%) / 27-7 / 0 NCAA wins / behind Hakim Warrick and Terrance Roberts
To Mountain State (WVa) where he failed to qualify academically
no NBA
2006 Louie McCroskey 310NP (4.4%) / 73-27 / 2 NCAA wins / behind Eric Devendorf
To Marist 155NP (9.9%) / 18-14 / 0 NCAA wins / starter
no NBA
2007 Mike Jones 12NP (0.5%) 24-11 / 0 NCAA wins / behind Demetris Nichols
To South Carolina but never played there.
no MBA
2008 Josh Wright 368NP in four years (3.6%) / 95-44 / 0 NCAA wins / behind Gerry McNamara and Eric Devendorf. Left team after 4 games in senior year
To Ottawa U. (Canada) Played for then in 2008-09, averaging 17ppg. They made it to #2 in the Canadian polls and to their Elite 8. I don’t have anything more specific than that
no NBA
2009 Sean Williams 3NP in two years (0.05%) / 49-24 / 2 NCAA wins / behind Arinze Onuaku and Rick Jackson
To Cal State Fullerton where he failed to qualify academically.
no NBA
2011 DaShonte Riley (actually played in 2010: was injured in 2011, then transferred)
26NP (0.8%) / 30-5 / 2 NCAA wins / behind Arinze Onuaku and Rick Jackson
To Eastern Michigan 570NP in three years (12.3%) / 52-21 / 0 NCAA wins / starter
no NBA
2015 BJ Johnson 86NP in two years (2.0%) 36-19/ 1 NCAA win / behind Chris McCullough, Tyler Roberson and Michael Gbinije
To LaSalle 876NP in two years (24.2%) 23-40/ 0 NCAA wins / starter
NBA: 28NP two years with three teams (0.3%) / 64-91 / 0 playoff wins / Taurean Prince, Harrison Barnes and Evan Fournier
2015 Ron Patterson 66NP in two years (1.5%) / 46-19 / 1 NCAA win/ behind Tyler Ennis, Trevor Cooney and Kaleb Joseph
To IUPUI 387NP in two years (10.7%) / 25-37 / 0 NCAA wins / starter
(Can’t they come up with a better name than Indiana University Purdue University at Indianapolis?)
no NBA
2016 Kaleb Joseph 152NP in two years (3.7%) / 41-27 / 4 NCAA wins / behind Michael Gbinije
To Creighton 186NP in two years (3.6%) / 41-27 / 0 NCAA wins / behind Khyri Thomas and Davion Mintz
no NBA
2016 Chinoso Obokoh 24NP in 2 years (0.4%) / 41-27 / 4 NCAA wins / behind Rakeem Christmas, Chris McCullough, DaJuan Coleman
To St. Bonaventure ONP (0%) / 20-12 / 0 NCAA wins / behind Amadi Ikpeze
no NBA
2017 Taurean Thompson 253NP (9.9%) / 19-15 / 0 NCAA / took over center spot from DaJuan Coleman
To Seton Hall 72NP in two years (1.7%) / 41-23 / 0 NCAA / behind Michael Nzei, Sandro Mamukelashvili
To Detroit Mercy 0NP (0%) / 12-10 / 0 NCAA wins / Bul Kuol, Chris Brandon
College career just ended – unlikely to be drafted by NBA
2018 Matthew Moyer 137NP (6.1%) / 23-14 / 3 NCAA wins / behind Marek Dolezaj and Oshae Brissett
To Vanderbilt 106NP (3.1%) / 20-44 / 0 NCAA wins / behind Aaron Nesmith, Simisola Shittu and Dillon Disu
To George Washington 149NP (15.1%) / 5-12 / 0 NCAA wins / starter
College career just ended – unlikely to be drafted by NBA
2020 Jalen Carey 55NP in two years (1.3%) 38-28/ 0 NCAA wins / behind Joe Girard
To Rhode Island 52NP (3.4%) 10-15 / 0 NCAA wins / still in college
2020 Brycen Goodine 25NP (1.1%) 18-14/ no NCAA tournament / behind Joe Girard and Jalen Carey
To Providence 14NP (0.9%) / 0 NCAA wins/ still in college
2020 Howard Washington 67NP (1.0%) / 61-42 / 3 NCAA wins / behind Frank Howard and Joe Girard
To South Alabama, opted out of 2021 season due to Covid. Will have another year of eligibility.
2021 Kadary Richmond 222NP (10.5%) / 18-10 / 2 NCAA wins / behind Joe Girard
To Seton Hall for next season
I count 45 guys who transferred from Syracuse in the Boeheim Era. 12 of those never played a game at the Division 1 level again. Of the 33 that did, 7 saw their percentage of their team’s net points go down, (although in Matthew Moyer’s case it went back up after he transferred again). But 26 players did become more important to their next team than they had been to us. The 33 players that played for another Division 1 school produced 4,476 net points here and 13,728 there. So, on the whole they improved their playing time and production. What about team success? That probably wasn’t their goal but let’s look at it anyway: At Syracuse they’d played on teams that went 1382-574, (which obviously involves a lot of the same games), 0.707% winning percentage with 91 NCAA wins, (also duplicates). Their new teams went 727-929 (0.439%) and won 3 NCAA tournament games. Three. And Ed Gooding and Rodney Walker didn’t play in the NCAA games their teams won. LeSean Howard played in Howard University’s 58-57 upset of Iowa State in 2001 LeSean had 10 points, 5 rebounds and 3 assists and a total of 5NP. That’s the extent of NCAA glory achieved by these 45 players after they left SU.
Iowa State vs. Hampton Box Score, March 15, 2001 | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com
Of course their ultimate goal was to find a place to showcase their talents for the NBA. of the 45 players, exactly two of them played in the NBA: Richard Manning and B.J. Johnson. Richard played for two years for the Vancouver Grizzlies and the LA Clippers, who totaled 38 wins and 129 losses, (he played for two teams during the same year – pro-rated their combined records by the number of games Richard played with each). Manning produced 87 NBA net points, 0.8% of those team’s outputs. BJ Johnson played for two years and thus far has been in the G-League this year. He’s played for three NBA teams in two years with a prorated record of 64-91. BJ produced 28NP, 0.3% of his teams’ output. Obviously, he’s not done yet. That’s how much the NBA has seen of these 45 guys.
Here's an all-star team of ex-SU players because on upon the total number of net points they produced for their new, (D-1), teams: Keith Hughes 1093, Bobby Lazor 1061, Sam Spann 928, Glenn Sekunda 918, BJ Johnson 876, Richard Manning 849, Ramel Lloyd 762, Earl Duncan 750, Tony Bland 746 and Mike Sheehey 630. Manning, (6-11 253) would be the center. The forwards are Lazor, (6-8 215), Sekunda (6-7 215), Hughes (6-7 210), Johnson (6-7 185) and Spann (6-5 210) are the forwards. Duncan, (6-3 195, Lloyd (6-4 220), Sheehy (6-4 210) and Bland (6-4 180) are the guards. By NP, Hughes and Lazor should be the forwards but since BJ made the NBA, I’d pair him with Hughes. I’d go with Duncan and Lloyd in the backcourt. That would be a good college team.
Players who transferred to Syracuse from a 4 year school in the Boeheim Era
1980 Leo Rautins
From Minnesota 229NP (13.5%) / 11-16 / 0 NCAA wins / starter
At Syracuse 1102 NP in three years (16.9%) / 59-35 / 1 NCAA win / starter
NBA: 28NP in two years (0.2%) / 88-81 / 2 playoff wins / behind Julius Erving, Clint Richardson, Dominique Wilkins, Sly Williams
1981 Chris Lewis
From Wisconsin-Milwaukee 148NP (8.9%) / 9-17 / 0 NCAA wins / starter
At Syracuse 111NP (2.6%) / 37-23 / 1 NCAA win / no NBA
1989 LeRon Ellis
From Kentucky 519 NP in two years (11.5%) / 38-24 / 2 NCAA wins / starter
At Syracuse 612NP in two years (11.6%) / 52-13 / 2 NCAA wins / starter
NBA: 268NP in three years for three teams (1.3%) / 130-124 / 2 playoff wins / behind Olden Polynice, James Edwards, Alonzo Mourning, Frank Brickowski, Danny Schayes
1996 Ryan Blackwell
From Illinois 110NP (5.5%) /18-13 / 0 NCAA wins / behind Bryant Notree, Jerrod Gee and Chris Gandy
At Syracuse 1283NP (19.2%) / 73-27 / 4 NCAA wins / starter
no NBA
1999 Ethan Cole
From New Hampshire 249NP in two years (10.2%) / 14-40 / 0 NCAA wins / starter
At Syracuse 14NP in two years (0.3%) / 48-22 / 1 NCAA win / behind Bill Celuck, Craig Forth, Damone Brown and Hakim Warrick
no NBA
2010 Wes Johnson
From Iowa State 595NP in two years (18.0%) / 29-34 / 0 NCAA wins / starter
At Syracuse 685NP (22.9%) / 30-5 / 2 NCAA wins /starter
NBA: 9 years 3455NP (5.8%) / 253-388 / 5 NBA playoff wins / started his first four years.
2012 Michael Gbinije
From Duke 20NP (0.9%) / 27-7 / 0 NCAA wins, (they lost to Lehigh) / behind Ryan Kelly and Josh Hairston
At Syracuse 976NP in three years (14.1%) / 69-33 / 5 NCAA wins / starter
NBA -2NP (0%) / 37-45 / 0 playoff wins
2015 Paschal Chukwu
From Providence 95NP (4.4%) / 22-12 / 0 NCAA wins/ behind Carson Desrosiers
At Syracuse 616NP in three years (9.0%) / 62-43 / 3 NCAA wins / starter
no NBA
2016 John Gillon
From Arkansas-Little Rock 190NP (13.1%) / 17-15 / 0 NCAA wins / behind Josh Hagins
From Colorado State 557NP (12.3%) / 45-23 / 0 NCAA wins / starter
At Syracuse 364NP (14.3%) / 19-15 / 0 NCAA wins / starter
no NBA
2016 Andrew White
From Kansas 55NP in two years (1.0%) / 56-16 / 3 NCAA wins / Ben McLemore, Travis Relford, Andrew Wiggins
From Nebraska 455NP (21.8%) / 16-18 / 0 NCAA wins / starter
At Syracuse 488NP (19.1%) / 19-15 / 0 NCAA wins / starter
NBA: 42NP (0.5%) / 24-58/ 0 playoff wins / Taurean Prince
2017 Geno Thorpe
From Penn State 240NP (6.5%) / 34-34 / 0 NCAA wins / starter
From South Florida 288NP (19.9%) / 7-23 / 0 NCAA wins/ starter
At Syracuse 14NP (0.6%) / 23-14 / 3 NCAA wins / behind Frank Howard and Tyus Battle
2018 Elijah Hughes
From East Carolina 106NP (6.1%) / 15-18 / 0 NCAA wins / behind Kentrell Barkley
At Syracuse 869NP (20.2%) / 38-28 / 0 NCAA wins / starter
NBA: 21NP (0.3%) / 40-13 so far / behind Bojan Bogdanović and Royce O'Neale
2020 Alan Griffin
From Illinois 319NP (8.3%) / 33-31 / 0 NCAA wins/ behind Ayo Dosunmu, Trent Frazier and Aaron Jordan
To Syracuse 372NP (17.7%) / 18-10 / 2 NCAA wins / starter
Declared for the NBA draft.
That makes 13 scholarship players who have transferred into SU during the Boeheim Era. These 13 guys totaled 4,506 NP at their last stop and 7,496 at SU, increasing their importance to the team, (by NP%) from 10.9% to 12.9%. They’ve gone from teams that went 286-273 (.512) with 2 NCAA wins, (not including Andrew White’s time as a deep bench reserve at Kansas where they went 56-16 with 3 NCAA wins), to 547-292 (.652) at Syracuse with 24 NCAA wins. So they got more production here and a lot more team glory. Six of the 13 guys have played in the NBA, totaling 3812NP, (compared to 115 for Manning and Johnson). Their teams have gone 660-709 (.482) with 9 playoff wins.
As to an all-star team, the top ten guys are Ryan Blackwell (1283), Leo Rautins (1102), Michael Gbinije (976), Elijah Hughes (869), Wes Johnson (685), Paschal Chukwu (616), LeRon Ellis (612), Andrew White (488), Alan Griffin (372), John Gillon (364). Ellis, (6-9 225) and Chukwu (7-2, 226) are centers. Blackwell, (6-7 220), Rautins (6-8 215), Johnson (6-7 198), Hughes (6-6 210) and Griffin (6-5 205) are forwards. Gbinije (6-7 200) could play everything from 1-3. White (6-7 210) is a swingman Gillon (6-0 178) was the one true point guard and had two historically memorable games but was very inconsistent. I think I’d go with Chukwu, Rautins, Johnson, (barely over Hughes), White and Gbinije. I’d favor that team over the all-star team of guys who transferred out.
From this I conclude that players might find more playing time elsewhere but not necessarily become better players. They certainly aren’t likely to get as much team glory where they are likely to wind up than they would have enjoyed at Syracuse. And they are more likely to get to the NBA if they can impress Jim Boeheim enough to make them part of his rotation. I think this bodes well for JB’s use of the transfer portal. But we’ve never lost anybody who performed as well here as Kadary Richmond and Robert Braswell and Woody Newton would also out-ranked most of the people on the first list. It’s a new world but one in which a really good player would be well advised to take his chances here.
