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Message: [QUOTE="Cheriehoop, post: 700536, member: 127"] Yes, the bad weather on the winter drives from Liverpool to Oswego can be hell. You can go through as many as 4 different weather events in a drive up or back. You can turn a corner and realize "oh no" , start crawling at 15 - 20 mph then reach a total clearing for a few miles then head right back in and out of another whiteout. I can handle snow, what turns me into a hyperventilating wreck are those whiteouts. It's not good when you have to "visualize" a road :eek:. Thankfully those absolutely horrific days are not that frequent. [/QUOTE]