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http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-shabazz-20130322,0,270119.story

please shower after reading story.

highlights:
-shabazz is 20 not 19. his father held him back a year to gain a competitive advantage
-shabazz certainly took illegal benefits
-his father is shady as can be
-ucla is dirty as they basically hired a coach and paid him handsomely to secure shabazz's commitment

and this is the stuff his father admits to
 
The age thing isn't a big deal but his dad lying about it is strange. Heck my son played with a well know highly recruited college athlete who was 7 months younger than him but who graduated 2 years behind him. We were probably the dummies. Makes a world of difference. Not many college athletes with kids being held back and the rise of prep schools aren't at the least 19 as they begin college anymore to be more mature athletically.

The hiring coaches thing is getting to be old school. Heck Danny Manning's dad way back in the mid 80's was hired after his son went to Kansas. There are many other examples too.

The other 2 things I wouldn't know about - did the dad really admit to it? He's far from the only dad to make a 2nd job as a "promoter" for his kid - ever go to any Little League Games particularly if fathers are the coaches? :p
 
-shabazz is 20 not 19. his father held him back a year to gain a competitive advantage

My birthday is November 15th (the cut-off for NY schools is Dec 1st) so I was always the youngest person in my entire grade. I always got annoyed when kids started kindergarten late, and thus were over a year older than me. Gave them a huge competitive advantage in sports growing up.
 
My birthday is November 15th (the cut-off for NY schools is Dec 1st) so I was always the youngest person in my entire grade. I always got annoyed when kids started kindergarten late, and thus were over a year older than me. Gave them a huge competitive advantage in sports growing up.

My son was born in November also. Always the youngest and he was so surprised how many kids a year/two behind him in class standing were a year sometimes 2 years older than him. (so was I actually)
 
The NBA rule is a player has to be 19, correct? Couldn't he just have not bothered with UCLA and applied for the draft last spring since he was really 19?
 
cherie, while i respect your opinion, you appear to be condoning a lot.
 
My birthday is November 15th (the cut-off for NY schools is Dec 1st) so I was always the youngest person in my entire grade. I always got annoyed when kids started kindergarten late, and thus were over a year older than me. Gave them a huge competitive advantage in sports growing up.

i agree, but it is a difficult line. you have to cut it off somewhere.
 
I did kinda like this :

In mid-December, the NCAA fired Grantstein. The association has not offered an explanation for the dismissal, and a spokeswoman declined to comment.
"She came at me," Holmes said. "I did what I had to."

"dont tase me bro"
 
cherie, while i respect your opinion, you appear to be condoning a lot.

I'm not condoning but unless it's against the rules - people will use it to their advantage. Most high schools allow kids to compete while they are 19 - below are the NYS rules. I'm just saying parents take advantage of loopholes just like anyone else. There are no academic standards - each school district enforces their own - which is crazy. So many schools have no academic standard and some that have - parents have taken them to court to challenge it. I know of kids who couldn't graduate who never lost a minute of high school eligibility - it is right? - no way but why doesn't anyone care.

1. AGE AND GRADE: Regulation of the Commissioner of Education: A student
shall be eligible for interschool competition in grades 9, 10, 11 and 12 until his/her
nineteenth birthday. If the age of nineteen years is reached on or after July 1, the
student may continue to participate during that school year in all sports. NOTE:
Students may be eligible regardless of age or grade if they have been approved through
the State Education Department’s Selection/ Classification Program

As long as the NCAA allows coaches to follow kids to college - some colleges will name coaches to get a kid to attend. Same with jobs for parents, relatives at a university. Do I agree with these methods - no - but Shabazz's father is far from the first father to "look out" for his kid - that's all I was pointing out. I wasn't making a judgement call on one father - when I know many other well known ones who have done the same. I just don't want to be selective and hypocritical when I know that other athletes and parents have done the same.
 
His dad definitely has taken things too far, but generally speaking I have no problem with people taking advantage of a system that is designed to take advantage of the kids. I think it's funny how any time a parent tries to get one over on a dirty system, somehow the parent is automatically the bad guy.
 
I did kinda like this :

In mid-December, the NCAA fired Grantstein. The association has not offered an explanation for the dismissal, and a spokeswoman declined to comment.
"She came at me," Holmes said. "I did what I had to."

Agreed. I don't blame him for those tactics.
If true, it demonstrates how 'crooked' the NCAA can be, with regard to their various agendas.
It's sad to think that this can't all be cleaned up. College sports is dirty and i don't know how it can be clean again. We seem to be at the point where we accept the dirt as de facto. Kinda like the Legalize Weed movement — too hard to stop it, so why bother...
 
Currently debating with my wife regarding holding back my daughter. I would like her to go to half-day kindergarten then private school full day kindergarten and then first. It would be great for her maturity academically and athletically down the road. You do not know if it will truly be beneficial until 10 years down the road, but it worked out for me.
 
Wasn't Paulus held back?
 
No offense but yes he was - well within the rules though.

The implication was that he was held back for sports. This is not true. Greg didn't turn 19 until well after he graduated high school. I don't like people implying "held back" as the Paulus family was cheating or wanted to cheat. Greg is one of ten kids. I have known him since he was a little kid. Athletics had nothing to do with this, it wasn't some part of some master plan by the Paulus family.
 

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