OT: i remember when this board said flynn was better than harden

[MyMeloMyMan]

If you watch enough NBA, you realize the cream almost always rises to the top. Kevin Love seemed to do ok in Minnesota... LaMarcus Aldridge still thrives on a horrible Portland team. Chris Paul was great on bad teams. Lebron James did ok on a terrible Cleveland team that he joined out of the draft, etc etc.

Stars are stars. Everyone else has a story as to why they didn't get the right oppotunity.

 

[HOFCeluck]

if he'd been drafted by the Clippers or Nets or Raptors, would he be the player he is today?

Yes.

 

[DoctorBombay]

If you watch enough NBA, you realize the cream almost always rises to the top. Kevin Love seemed to do ok in Minnesota... LaMarcus Aldridge still thrives on a horrible Portland team. Chris Paul was great on bad teams. Lebron James did ok on a terrible Cleveland team that he joined out of the draft, etc etc.

Stars are stars. Everyone else has a story as to why they didn't get the right oppotunity.

Chauncey Billups says hello.

There are numerous cases in NBA history of players who were prematurely declared busts, but then found themselves in better situations and thrived. Its not too much to wish Jonny a fair shot at redemption somewhere else, before readying him for the scrap heap. Unless & until JF gets that shot, when healthy and hopefully in a system that works to his strengths, I'll reserve the pre-judgement. JMHO

 

[longislandcuse]

Portland fans are pretty much in agreement that Jonny Flynn was their best pg last year. I think Flynn will get signed somewhere this year and have a chance to become something, hopefully he takes advanatage because you only get so many chances.

I also think Donte Greene could become a solid role player if he ever gets out of that compost heap called the Sacramento Kings.

 

[HOFCeluck]

"xxxx would be better suited if he was Ina more well run franchise" seems to be a recurring meme among Syracuses marginal NBA players.

 

[longislandcuse]

"xxxx would be better suited if he was Ina more well run franchise" seems to be a recurring meme among Syracuses marginal NBA players.

Obviously Andy Rautins would be a JJ Redick type if he didnt go to the Knicks.

 

[MyMeloMyMan]

Obviously Andy Rautins would be a JJ Redick type if he didnt go to the Knicks.

I learned right here on this board from the NBA experts (who hate the NBA, but watch every minute of each Heat game) that Redick is not good at all.

 

[samspann1]

I learned right here on this board from the NBA experts (who hate the NBA, but watch every minute of each Heat game) that Redick is not good at all.

Yeah, Redick is really solid...43% FG, 8.4 PPG, with no real ball handling skills or rebounding ability.

Well worth a lottery pick.

 

[Ghost]

I learned right here on this board from the NBA experts (who hate the NBA, but watch every minute of each Heat game) that Redick is not good at all.

lol...why do you get so emotional about the Heat?

 

[samspann1]

He's not a Heat fan. Just ask him.

 

[MyMeloMyMan]

lol...why do you get so emotional about the Heat?

Is Redick on the Heat?

I have a bet going with 4 posters on this very board that the Heat will not win the title. I am not a Heat fan, but I find myself having to defend Lebron with the silly things that get said here.

 

[Knicks411]

Reddick is a perfectly fine role player, career true shooting% is 58% and he's greatly improved his defense. You'd love every lottery pick to turn into a star, of course, but that isn't how it works. Here are the lottery picks from the 2006 draft:

Bargnani, Aldridge, Morrison, Tyrus Thomas, Shelden Williams, Brandon Roy, Randy Foye, Rudy Gay, Patrick O'Bryant, Mouhammed Sene, Reddick, Hilton Armstrong, Thabo Sefalosha. Later in the draft, Rajon Rondo, Kyle Lowry, and Shannon Brown went.

Reddick went 11th in the draft; I don't think you can find 11 better players in that draft. Aldridge, Roy (I know Roy is retired but he was great before he got hurt), Gay, Rondo, and Lowry are all clearly better than him, I guess Bargnani as well.

 

[Ghost]

Is Redick on the Heat?

I have a bet going with 4 posters on this very board that the Heat will not win the title. I am not a Heat fan, but I find myself having to defend Lebron with the silly things that get said here.

No, he's not, which is why it seemed odd to add in:

"(who hate the NBA, but watch every minute of each Heat game)"

It's not an NBA forum, if you're looking for high-level NBA analysis you're probably in the wrong place. No big deal, you just seem to be getting more and more bitter about the Heat commentary. It's a Syracuse forum, most people readily admit they don't like the NBA, it's mostly water-cooler type talk about the Heat.

 

[Ghost]

Reddick is a perfectly fine role player, career true shooting% is 58% and he's greatly improved his defense. You'd love every lottery pick to turn into a star, of course, but that isn't how it works. Here are the lottery picks from the 2006 draft:

Bargnani, Aldridge, Morrison, Tyrus Thomas, Shelden Williams, Brandon Roy, Randy Foye, Rudy Gay, Patrick O'Bryant, Mouhammed Sene, Reddick, Hilton Armstrong, Thabo Sefalosha. Later in the draft, Rajon Rondo, Kyle Lowry, and Shannon Brown went.

Reddick went 11th in the draft; I don't think you can find 11 better players in that draft. Aldridge, Roy (I know Roy is retired but he was great before he got hurt), Gay, Rondo, and Lowry are all clearly better than him, I guess Bargnani as well.

Yeah, I think if most people put their thoughts out when he was drafted they would have said this was his higher-end upside - and he hit it. It's a pretty solid accomplishment. He's strengthened certain aspects of his game to the extent that he can and he's been a decent role player for a bit now.

 

[longislandcuse]

Reddick is a perfectly fine role player, career true shooting% is 58% and he's greatly improved his defense. You'd love every lottery pick to turn into a star, of course, but that isn't how it works. Here are the lottery picks from the 2006 draft:

Bargnani, Aldridge, Morrison, Tyrus Thomas, Shelden Williams, Brandon Roy, Randy Foye, Rudy Gay, Patrick O'Bryant, Mouhammed Sene, Reddick, Hilton Armstrong, Thabo Sefalosha. Later in the draft, Rajon Rondo, Kyle Lowry, and Shannon Brown went.

Reddick went 11th in the draft; I don't think you can find 11 better players in that draft. Aldridge, Roy (I know Roy is retired but he was great before he got hurt), Gay, Rondo, and Lowry are all clearly better than him, I guess Bargnani as well.

Id take Sefalosha over Redick also.

 

[MyMeloMyMan]

Its the internets Ghost...nothing serious gets said on the net. Without Lebron, what else would we all talk about in the off season? I'm all out of SU all time top 10 lists...

 

[Knicks411]

I'd take Reddick over Thabo. Thabo is better on defense but he is a much worse offensive player, career true shooting of 51%. But I don't think it's a huge advantage either way. If Thabo wasn't on a great team like OKC I don't think he'd get nearly the love he does, but as I said, I don't think there is a whole heck of a lot of difference. With role players in the NBA, I think so much is about the fit on th eteam anyway.

Either way, point is, you'd have to push it to find 10 or 11 guys better than JJ Reddick that went in the 06 draft. And I say this as a guy who figured Reddick would be overhyped. He's proved me wrong.

 

[MyMeloMyMan]

The Bulls put out a nice offer for Redick in the off season. They have a pretty good organization. If they wanted him, I imagine he could probably play for a lot of teams.

 

[HOFCeluck]

No, he's not, which is why it seemed odd to add in:

"(who hate the NBA, but watch every minute of each Heat game)"

It's not an NBA forum, if you're looking for high-level NBA analysis you're probably in the wrong place. No big deal, you just seem to be getting more and more bitter about the Heat commentary. It's a Syracuse forum, most people readily admit they don't like the NBA, it's mostly water-cooler type talk about the Heat.

True, but some of the "analysis" is just unforgivable lazy.

Just read this thread. It took a simple google search for me to see that James Harden was First Team AA. People watch one second round game and create the narrative that the dude was some role player who just blew up in OKC.

 

[longislandcuse]

True, but some of the "analysis" is just unforgivable lazy.

Just read this thread. It took a simple google search for me to see that James Harden was First Team AA. People watch one second round game and create the narrative that the dude was some role player who just blew up in OKC.

I think its more the fact that he doesnt look like a very dominating ball player plus most the people on this forum saw him play once in college where he got clowned by us in the NCAA tourney.

 

[HOFCeluck]

I think its more the fact that he doesnt look like a very dominating ball player plus most the people on this forum saw him play once in college where he got clowned by us in the NCAA tourney.

The a lot of people aren't college basketball fans.

 

[domestu]

I remember a lot of SU fans posting that Flynn was the better player when we played Arizone State in Miami during the 2009 NCAAs, but there was never any question in my mind who had more talent.

Harden was a First Team All-American that year who was able to dominate his opponents during the season. In the first round NCAA game against Temple, he scored almost all his points in the closing minutes and carried his team to a victory over the Owls in a tight contest. Harden didn't have a good game against the Cuse on Sunday afternoon and that helped convince a lot of Orange fans that Flynn was the better player.

Jonny doesn't have the outside shooting skills or the size to be a top-notch NBA point guard while James Harden showed that he had a much better all-around game during his college career. NBA teams often use their draft picks to try and solve glaring weaknesses and Minnesota really took a gamble with the sixth pick in selecting him. Flynn doesn't have the type of game that is going to thrive with inferior players and he never possessed the kind of offensive skills that would enable him to score many points for a poor team. It was a bad draft pick just waiting to implode.

 

[Knicks411]

The Bulls put out a nice offer for Redick in the off season. They have a pretty good organization. If they wanted him, I imagine he could probably play for a lot of teams.

I think they signed him to an offer sheet in 2010 that Orlando matched

 

[Marsh01]

I remember when this board said melo was better than darko

I am better than Darko

 

[samspann1]

what happened to this thread?