Has nothing to do with ability to recruit. Has everything to do with CAA pimping (ie: buying ) recruits for their client coach. Very ingenious scheme that the NCAA continues to ignore.
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OT - Julius Randle to UK
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Is there anything that they can do? As far as I know no contracts are being drawn up and no money is changing hands, but can the NCAA do anything if WWW simply let's it be known or makes a verbal promise that the player will get something once his NCAA career is over with? It's shady as a maple tree, but is there anything that they would even be able to nail him with?
The easiest way is to just have the NBA open the flood gates or go to a minimum 3 years in college (or, preferably, both).
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Wondering if some of the guys Cal is calling out get pissed off and start talking about anything that could possibly be happening there. If there is of course.
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Borzello predicted Randle to go to Kansas 5 minutes before he chose Kentucky. When it comes to recruiting he's just guessing.
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Yup. I forgot to mention that.
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How many ex UK players in the NBA are CAA clients?
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If it's true, some 'news' organization should offer a significant 'reward' for substantive evidence of malfeasance. Or else you're just waiting for someone to get screwed in the process and seek 'revenge' by outing it.
Really, though, i'm surprised that it's so suspicious that the best players want to go to a school that expects to be ranked Top 5, win championships, compete in practice against other top 10 players, be virtually assured of being drafted in the lottery, be virtually assured of being successful in the NBA, and do it all for a coach with a reasonable degree of charm. "Haters gonna hate," as the kids say. But, going to UK just makes a lot of sense to any highschooler worth a damn. Kinda like if you're a young animator and if the University of the Lower Ozarks had a sterling record for placing kids at Pixar... You'd be stupid not to want that.
Really, though, i'm surprised that it's so suspicious that the best players want to go to a school that expects to be ranked Top 5, win championships, compete in practice against other top 10 players, be virtually assured of being drafted in the lottery, be virtually assured of being successful in the NBA, and do it all for a coach with a reasonable degree of charm. "Haters gonna hate," as the kids say. But, going to UK just makes a lot of sense to any highschooler worth a damn. Kinda like if you're a young animator and if the University of the Lower Ozarks had a sterling record for placing kids at Pixar... You'd be stupid not to want that.
So does going to Duke, Indiana, UCLA, North Carolina, Kansas, etc. Which is why no one has ever been able to legitimately consistently recruit classes like UK is putting together.
There are far too many options on the table for all the best recruits to pick one school the way Cal has been able to make them.
This has happened before, and every time it's happened it's later come out that something illegal has happened.
Is it possible? Anything is possible.
When it does happen legitimately, is it likely to be accomplished by a serial cheater? Some things are possible, but just really unlikely.
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We may find out more if he has over-recruited this cycle. Goodwin, Poythress and Cauley-Stein all said last night that they will be back. Do they want to go to the bench behind the 7-man (and counting?) incoming class? And, how about Harrow? Wiltjer? Can Cal shove some of these kids out the door without some kind of blowback?
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I'm not sure that's a legitimate argument — that Cal's doing it at a higher level than the others, so it's therefore being done illegally. Before Cal, those other schools were recruiting at higher levels than anyone else. KU, NC, and Duke weren't found to have done anything wrong. Water seeks its own level, and legacies and reputations enhance all the other characteristics and benefits.
Too many options? I think each kid is looking at HIS own best option and that's KU. If you're a top 15 player, you probably don't think you should have to choose a "B" option. And, so they don't. With the collection of talent Cal puts together, even Duke is a "B" option.
Duke gets three McD players each year, and has for a large number of years. Cal getting four per year over a short span might seem extraordinary, but not nonsensically so. He's riding a tsunami, not just a wave.
We're not talking about what a kid should do based on historical recruiting, we're talking about what each of these 17-year old individuals is looking at when making their ONE decision. You can't possibly not be impressed by the NBA players the school is turning out. If you're in high school, you probably only have 5 or so drafts in your memory. You've seen 3-5 KU players picked in the first round on a consistent basis. That is what you know. You watch NBA games, and you're going to see KU players in those games. More than Duke. More than NC. And, certainly more than SU.
Hey, i don't like it either. But, only for the sake of competitive balance. I'm envious. Everyone speculating on how crooked Cal is is doing it largely out of jealousy. Jealousy is Envy's wicked stepsister.
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It's going to come down to someone being wronged somehow. Might not even be a player. An assistant who doesn't get the promotion. A Western Union clerk or accountant who sees something. A booster who doesn't get the courtside seats he was promised... Someone in the chain. The kids have their own reputations to protect, until they're comfortably in the NBA, and then maybe after a few years someone will admit something, but even that's iffy. If Cal forces one of these players out, we might find out from him, ten years from now.
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I'm going to go ahead and defend Cal. I know mostly everyone on here hates him and think he's destroying college basketball, but I think he's an entertaining, outgoing guy that is really personable (unlike certain coaches ...).
I think he's a trendsetter; not for the idea of getting the best players to join together, but for making it his system, down to a science, each and every year. In 20 years, everyone will be paying players (not that most don't already), but he will just be the one that mastered it before anyone else did and benefited greatly from it. Does anyone honestly care that players are getting benefits? I say good for those that do get paid, as they should be anyway. Most people don't like Cal and his methods because it gets great players that might have otherwise gone to other schools (Noel).
If you think he's destroying the integrity of NCAA basketball, that was gone long before Cal came on the scene.
I think he's a trendsetter; not for the idea of getting the best players to join together, but for making it his system, down to a science, each and every year. In 20 years, everyone will be paying players (not that most don't already), but he will just be the one that mastered it before anyone else did and benefited greatly from it. Does anyone honestly care that players are getting benefits? I say good for those that do get paid, as they should be anyway. Most people don't like Cal and his methods because it gets great players that might have otherwise gone to other schools (Noel).
If you think he's destroying the integrity of NCAA basketball, that was gone long before Cal came on the scene.
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Cal will most definitely push Goodwin and Poythress out the door. I'm sure he prefers a lineup of The Harrison twins, James Young, Julius Randle, Wiltjer, and Cauley-Stein coming off the bench. Either Dakari Johnson or Marcus Lee will end up being Daniel Orton bench warming status.
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I hope he ends up rolled up in a rug and about to be six feet under...
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Elite players want the best path to the NBA and Cal offers that. Don't see why everyone assumes he is doing it illegally. If these kids have "agents" and are getting illegal benefits it is most likely not coming from Cal but unsavory characters that are trying to benefit themselves first. SU has their own issues which sound much more imminent than anything happening in Lexington.
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Johnson hasn't officially signed yet since he commited between signing periods right?
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Yup, but the check that WWW gave the family for the commitment probably has been cashed already. So he has no choice but honor the verbal lol.Johnson hasn't officially signed yet since he commited between signing periods right?
This is absolutely it.
Outside of Kentucky and Baylor the rest of the major programs pretty much play by the rules. Calipari and Drew are the only big time coaches giving these kids 6 figures to sign and play there. Its happening flagrantly and nothing is done about it.
And SU is in the news right now for no other reason than we were ing idiots and didn't protect our players and had our athletes subject to the same regular students at SU are (judicial affairs, the drug testing stuff, etc.) Basically we're paying the price right now with all those failed drug tests 5 years ago for not protecting our guys. But Kentucky gets to pay Randle to commit to a team that doesn't even have a scholarship open for him.
The 3rd worst school other than Baylor and Kentucky isn't even evident. I'd love to say its IU but they were way worse under Sampson than Crean. Teams don't need to cheat to be good. Kentucky cheated and couldn't make the tourney.
I am pretty darned close to 3 other programs/athletic departments in one way or another and know they are nothing like Kentucky. All 3 schools are recruiting great right now pulling in top 20 classes. Providence, Arizona, and Iowa State. I assure you that none of the 3 have the means to behave like Kentucky and couldn't act like that even if they wanted to.
It really is only Kentucky that goes above and beyond and blatantly pays these kids. Scott Drew does too not sure if there is anyone else. The game is pretty clean these days. Teams like Louisville and Michigan are nowhere near as dirty as they would have been 10-20 years ago.
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Let's get some perspective here.
Yes there will be certain players Calipari advises to take advantage of a better situation elsewhere. But Calipari will ensure that player focuses on his studies and ensure he stays on track, and gets good grades before he leaves.
Yes there will be certain players Calipari advises to take advantage of a better situation elsewhere. But Calipari will ensure that player focuses on his studies and ensure he stays on track, and gets good grades before he leaves.
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I don't have any knowledge of any schools doings, but I find it hard to believe that other than those two the rest of the major programs pretty much play by the rules. Unless you're giving a lot of leeway to the phrase "pretty much".