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LOL at these guys in here kicking Melo while he's down.

Melo is a better basketball player than Leonard. Period.

If a GM takes Leonard its because he's younger, cheaper, and you can cling to the word "potential".

Someone really asked if Melo is still a top 10 OFFENSIVE player? Are you kidding me? He did the same thing this year that he's always done until he could no longer play. He's hurt and his team is bad. Way to pick your moment! That would be like me asking the Paul George fans if he's still supposedly better than Melo (and seeming to revel in the situation a bit?), and whatever else they were saying. It's not the time for all that.

Melo is one of the elite players in the sport. Why some Syracuse fans are willing to cling to any young SF that shows potential and try to prop him up as "better than Melo!" is beyond me.
 
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OrangeDW said:
15 and 7. He's a good player. One of many on his extremely well coached and well run team.
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It's 15 and 7 because of the team around him, but him on a garbage team like NY and he could average a heck of a lot more than that.
 
two3zone said:
It's 15 and 7 because of the team around him, but him on a garbage team like NY and he could average a heck of a lot more than that.
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I like Leonard a lot, but is he that kind of player? I don't think his statistical ceiling is a whole lot higher than 15 and 7 actually.
 
two3zone said:
It's 15 and 7 because of the team around him, but him on a garbage team like NY and he could average a heck of a lot more than that.
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Doubt it.

Put him on the Knicks and he's shooting 40%, IMO. He's not that kind of player. Hasn't even been an All Star yet, and Syracuse fans want to jump the gun on proclaiming him better than their Hall of Fame lock who just had 2 of the best seasons of his career, before he ran into a train wreck this season.

Just like when Paul George shot 39% in the playoff series where many on here claimed he "outplayed" Melo. LOL. 19 ppg on 39% shooting and 4.5 turnovers a game. If Melo played like that, he'd get KILLED. George does it, and he's the next big thing.
 
It's not just Syracuse fans. PG and Kawhi are both better assets than Melo. This doesn't mean Melo is bad or anything, those guys are just really good.
 
skurey said:
It's not just Syracuse fans. PG and Kawhi are both better assets than Melo. This doesn't mean Melo is bad or anything, those guys are just really good.
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It's people who want to feel like they are on the cutting edge, hopping on the "new guy" before it's the commonly accepted opinion or even fact. LMAO at this..."This doesn't mean Melo is bad or anything, those guys are just really good."

Uhh...Melo is "really good" too. Better than both of those guys.

Melo's much older than both of them, so there will come a time when they are both better.

Neither is better now(George wasn't better before his injury either), and I doubt either one will have the better overall career than Melo either.
 
skurey said:
Ok well you're wrong so enjoy being wrong.
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I think Melo is still better than Leonard (at least Melo before the knee injury, I hope he comes back at the same level but you never know).
They are also not really the same kind of player. Melo is a high usage/medium efficiency/meh defender, Leonard right now is an average usage/pretty good efficiency (though worth pointing out his efficiency has dipped a little this year as his usage went up)/awesome, like maybe the best perimeter defensive player in the league.

It's possible Duncan and Manu retire this summer, so maybe we'll see what Leonard would do carrying a heavier role on offense next year.

I think there was a pretty good argument to be made that George had a better 2014 season than Melo; whether or not that means he's a better player is a different question, but prior to the broken leg, I don't know how far away that was from happening.
 
Knicks411 said:
I think Melo is still better than Leonard (at least Melo before the knee injury, I hope he comes back at the same level but you never know).
They are also not really the same kind of player. Melo is a high usage/medium efficiency/meh defender, Leonard right now is an average usage/pretty good efficiency (though worth pointing out his efficiency has dipped a little this year as his usage went up)/awesome, like maybe the best perimeter defensive player in the league.

It's possible Duncan and Manu retire this summer, so maybe we'll see what Leonard would do carrying a heavier role on offense next year.

I think there was a pretty good argument to be made that George had a better 2014 season than Melo; whether or not that means he's a better player is a different question, but prior to the broken leg, I don't know how far away that was from happening.
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George scored less, rebounded less, shot worse, and turned the ball over more. He did average 0.4 more apg. Funny how George is a "playmaker" and has "point forward skills" and Melo is a "ballstopper" and a "gunner"(not you, just the general narrative). 0.4 assists/per game difference. George is a better defender, but that only goes so far.

Indiana is competing for a playoff spot without George this year. Carmelo's teammates have been far, far worse.

Leonard is a cog in a highly powerful and efficient wheel. I'd love to see Melo play for one of the greatest coaches of all time, and have 3 hall of fame teammates.
 
OrangeDW said:
George scored less, rebounded less, shot worse, and turned the ball over more. He did average 0.4 more apg. Funny how George is a "playmaker" and has "point forward skills" and Melo is a "ballstopper" and a "gunner"(not you, just the general narrative). 0.4 assists/per game difference. George is a better defender, but that only goes so far.

Indiana is competing for a playoff spot without George this year. Carmelo's teammates have been far, far worse.

Leonard is a cog in a highly powerful and efficient wheel. I'd love to see Melo play for one of the greatest coaches of all time, and have 3 hall of fame teammates.
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From an shooting efficiency standpoint, they were about even in 2014 (56.1 for Melo vs 55.5 for George, I think we can call that a push). Melo had a better rebound%, George had a better assist%, neither by much. The TO thing is a legit big edge for Melo, and something that is probably underrated in his favor. George upped his usage rate and cut his TO in 2014 as well, so I think that would bode well for him in the future, but also irrelevant to 2014. I think the defensive edge is a huge plus for George. Like I said, I think you can make a pretty reasonable argument George had a better 2014 but it's not a lock either way. (Melo's numbers on offense probably take a hit if he has shoulder the defensive load that George/Leonard do).

Obviously it'll never happen, but I wonder what kind of numbers Melo would put up on the Spurs. He wouldn't get nearly as many shots, I'd imagine much better efficiency. I think Leonard is a much better fit for the Spurs though.
 
Knicks411 said:
From an shooting efficiency standpoint, they were about even in 2014 (56.1 for Melo vs 55.5 for George, I think we can call that a push). Melo had a better rebound%, George had a better assist%, neither by much. The TO thing is a legit big edge for Melo, and something that is probably underrated in his favor. George upped his usage rate and cut his TO in 2014 as well, so I think that would bode well for him in the future, but also irrelevant to 2014. I think the defensive edge is a huge plus for George. Like I said, I think you can make a pretty reasonable argument George had a better 2014 but it's not a lock either way. (Melo's numbers on offense probably take a hit if he has shoulder the defensive load that George/Leonard do).

Obviously it'll never happen, but I wonder what kind of numbers Melo would put up on the Spurs. He wouldn't get nearly as many shots, I'd imagine much better efficiency. I think Leonard is a much better fit for the Spurs though.
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The Pacers had a 7'2 Center who actually played every night(Chandler was always in and out of the lineup) as well as another premier perimeter defender in Stephenson, a good coach, and an overall strong team. He's a good defender, but I don't know about shouldering the load. He had a lot of help on that end.

Melo had JR Smith as his #2 option on offense, in the meanwhile. Talk about shouldering a load. If he had the offensive help equivalent of the defensive help that George had...
 
OrangeDW said:
The Pacers had a 7'2 Center who actually played every night(Chandler was always in and out of the lineup) as well as another premier perimeter defender in Stephenson, a good coach, and an overall strong team. He's a good defender, but I don't know about shouldering the load. He had a lot of help on that end.

Melo had JR Smith as his #2 option on offense, in the meanwhile. Talk about shouldering a load. If he had the offensive help equivalent of the defensive help that George had...
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Well I meant more in the sense that he was pretty much always expected to guard the other team's best perimeter player, not that he was the only good defender on the team.

I hear what you're saying, but in 2013 the Knicks had a really good offense (3rd in the league. Those were the days...) and it wasn't just all Melo. He was the key cog of course. Really frustrating to me as a fan that their offense was so good in large part because they spread the floor with shooting, but Woodson was basically forced into it and went back to the big lineups as soon as he could
 
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