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Message: [QUOTE="OttoMets, post: 1978915, member: 716"] Contend for what, second place? It's early - we don't know how good they are. It's like clockwork, every year conventional board wisdom is that some Virginia Tech or California is going to be a fantastic team in their conference by virtue of having played a good game against SU. Then they end up 18-13 and the people who made those claims (and only saw 40 minutes of that team all season) are nowhere to be found. For SC, we'll see. They played tenacious defense against a very accommodating opponent, and they're in a crappy league. Maybe they're really good. If they wind up a ranked team, we'll all be happy about that. [/QUOTE]