PAC-12 and Big XII want playoff expansion

[Scooch]

The obsession with ND is strange.

8 makes it easier for SU to get a bid.

Go to 8.

 

[SUskibum]

The obsession with ND is strange.

8 makes it easier for SU to get a bid.

Go to 8.

I agree with you.

Also, is the ACC TV rights/network worth more or less with the extra 5 guaranteed games with ND? My guess is our TV rights are worth more with ND’s 5 games than without them. Not to mention the full season of men’s B’ball.

 

[TheCusian]

Yeah, from our perspective any garanteed path to the playoffs is perfect. No leaving it to chance with weird biases and regional teams idiots.

 

[cpatrocks]

It's what's going to happen. Get used to it.

I don't see it. The moment some a top team like Bama gets gets upset in the Championship game and takes ND's at large bid, ND will be busting down our door for the oppty at our automatic bid.

 

[shantydaze]

I don't see it. The moment some a top team like Bama gets gets upset in the Championship game and takes ND's at large bid, ND will be busting down our door for the oppty at our automatic bid.

With three at large bids, this likely will not be a problem for ND. If it was only a six team play-off this may be more of an issue.

 

[shantydaze]

I agree with you.

Also, is the ACC TV rights/network worth more or less with the extra 5 guaranteed games with ND? My guess is our TV rights are worth more with ND’s 5 games than without them. Not to mention the full season of men’s B’ball.

If the ACC's broadcast rights are significantly higher because of ND football, I am okay (kind of) with them being part of the conference. If it is not high enough to justify the bowl revenue potentially lost when ND takes a ACC spot, then I do not see the benefit. I don't think nasketball moves the needle enough to matter.

 

[SmilinBob]

8 makes total sense which is why it will never happen. Here's what drives me crazy. Say Clemson plays Auburn, USCe, and Ohio State out of conference and loses 2 and then wins the ACC with 1 loss. That is 3 losses. Alabama plays 3 patsies and a bad P5 team and losses 1 game in the SEC. Bama is a no brainer but Clemson gets bounced because of "rankings". This is why the conference champion goes in no matter what. Now, a 4 loss team wins a weak division and then upsets an undefeated or 1 loss team in the conference champion game, do they go? Yes...but to fix this foolishness would be to be to have ONE division and the top 2 teams play for the championship.

 

[MonsterGame]

Personally, I'd like to see each P5 champ get in, then have the top 6 at large teams play each other and the next week, the 3 winners are paired up with the Top 3 P5-ers and the bottom two P5-ers play each other and so on.

More is better in every way except for promoting student athletics. There are a lot of D1 football teams, getting the top 11 in isn't a problem. (People who say it can't be done scheduling wise are just making an excuse. Anything can be done scheduling wise. Will there need to be sacrifices? Yes. It can be done though.)

Well, admittedly, then the P5 conferences will each want one additional team getting in and the last at-large goes to whomever. If so, I'd still be for it.

 

[TexanMark]

^^if the P5 champs get auto bids, I think that makes ND MORE likely to join. That or when they end up with one loss this year and get left out of the playoff.

If they went to 6 bids...5 P5 autos and 1 for G5, Indy, or an at large to fight over...ND might think about joining.

Not crazy about it...I think the Big 12 has a huge advantage in any P5 auto bid scenario

 

[DoctorBombay]

The obsession with ND is strange.

8 makes it easier for SU to get a bid.

Go to 8.

Not so much an obsession, more like insurance. Delaney and the B1G’s white whale has always been ND. One theory why he annexed Rutgers and especially MD, other than cable rights fees of course, is because he wanted to protect his flank in the Midwest. Fortunately ND football is stuck on being “independent” and Delaney won’t accept anything less than full membership. If the ACC can get ND football as a full member, it protects against Delaney’ s future B1G manuevers, increases our TV earnings, and secures unlimited access to the NE.
The ND deal is mutually beneficial as it is at present. Getting them as full members would totally secure the future.

 

[Moontan]

If they want to, the NCAA and schools can make it work, scheduling-wise (it is particularly easy if they drop the "missed class time" hypocrisy). The issue is that the current contract runs through 2025. Without a renegotiation of the contract, 8 (or 6) teams won't happen for at least 8 years.

Actually, they are two runs of six years. You’ve got to go 6 years so each of the bowls gets their championship game or 12 years to make the change.

 

[longtimefan]

Hate it, even though its probably inevitable. ND should not have some special status in the ACC. The agreement currently in place at least leaves the possibility that they'll be forced to join. Take away that incentive and their parasitic relationship w/ the ACC goes on forever.
Also, its more likely that we'll have the super conference 4X16 model that folks have talked about, but only if we stay at 4 teams. The Big XII is ripe for the picking, but expansion to 8 teams takes away that possibility. Its no coincidence that the 2 conferences advocating expansion are the PAC12 and the Big12, they're the ones most vulnerable to being left out!

In a nutshell.

 

[KaiserUEO]

Id prefer 6, with 2 byes and no guarantee your conf Champion makes it.

Basically it prevents a 2 or even a 3+ loss team from stealing a bid.

These bowl sites don’t need 2 games either. If this means the Rose Bowl never gets a Championship game, then so be it.

Enjoy your playoff game.

 

[TerryD]

Not so much an obsession, more like insurance. Delaney and the B1G’s white whale has always been ND. One theory why he annexed Rutgers and especially MD, other than cable rights fees of course, is because he wanted to protect his flank in the Midwest. Fortunately ND football is stuck on being “independent” and Delaney won’t accept anything less than full membership. If the ACC can get ND football as a full member, it protects against Delaney’ s future B1G manuevers, increases our TV earnings, and secures unlimited access to the NE.
The ND deal is mutually beneficial as it is at present. Getting them as full members would totally secure the future.

ND football is not going to join a conference unless forced to by a champs only 4x16 setup. That is the only "gun to head" reason for ND to ever consider it.

Short of that, it is not and was not ever ND's intention for its football program to join any conference. People hoping for it to join down the road are going to always be disappointed.

The new ACC deals through 2036 ensure that ND' s status is protected until then, unless a "champs only" playoff model is adopted.

 

[DoctorBombay]

ND football is not going to join a conference unless forced to by a champs only 4x16 setup. That is the only "gun to head" reason for ND to ever consider it.

Short of that, it is not and was not ever ND's intention for its football program to join any conference. People hoping for it to join down the road are going to always be disappointed.

The new ACC deals through 2036 ensure that ND' s status is protected until then, unless a "champs only" playoff model is adopted.

Exactly, which is why the B1G is wont to support an expanded CFP, since that effectively takes ND membership off the table. Unless and until Delaney is convinced the ND expansion dream is dead for his conference, he’ll never allow for you guys to get a clear path to the CFP.

 

[TerryD]

Exactly, which is why the B1G is wont to support an expanded CFP, since that effectively takes ND membership off the table. Unless and until Delaney is convinced the ND expansion dream is dead for his conference, he’ll never allow for you guys to get a clear path to the CFP.

Its been dead since 1999.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Hate it, even though its probably inevitable. ND should not have some special status in the ACC. The agreement currently in place at least leaves the possibility that they'll be forced to join. Take away that incentive and their parasitic relationship w/ the ACC goes on forever.
Also, its more likely that we'll have the super conference 4X16 model that folks have talked about, but only if we stay at 4 teams. The Big XII is ripe for the picking, but expansion to 8 teams takes away that possibility. Its no coincidence that the 2 conferences advocating expansion are the PAC12 and the Big12, they're the ones most vulnerable to being left out!

I think 4 X 16 is a terrible mistake. There is no real conference affiliation or rivalries when a conference is that large.

 

[shantydaze]

Id prefer 6, with 2 byes and no guarantee your conf Champion makes it.

Basically it prevents a 2 or even a 3+ loss team from stealing a bid.

These bowl sites don’t need 2 games either. If this means the Rose Bowl never gets a Championship game, then so be it.

Enjoy your playoff game.

Giving a conference champion an auto-bid does allow P5 schools to actually schedule interesting OOC games as a loss would not disqualify them from the play-off. Also, taking AQ out of the picture hurts Syracuse as the helmet schools will always be treated more favorably than schools like us. I would rather have a berth in the CFB be based on what occurred in conference play on the field than what helmet the committee finds the shiniest.