Palm's Latest Bracket (updated after the Oregon game)

[jdubs30]

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/bracketology

Has in Dayton vs. Monmouth -- I think we'd take that in a second

Has Wichita vs. Temple as the other Play-In game

Other notes:
- Has Arkansas-Little Rock a 12: To me that means they are only a placeholder for their conference title, if they lose today they look like they are out (according to him)
- Other 11's are Chattanooga and Michigan
- Oregon State and Cincinnati a 10
- VCU and SBU a 9, St. Joe's an 8 -- which means no matter what happens today in the A10 it won't be a bid steal situation
- He has UConn a 10 which is interesting. To me that means they are back on the bubble if they lose, Memphis isn't a good team

He has us as the last in -- a Memphis win would knock us out completely according to Palm. I'm surprised he has Temple ahead of us. I would think Temple would be out if Memphis won.

Palm has 3 A10 teams in along with Michigan, Monmouth, Temple and Wichita. He feels our resume is better than Valpo, Vandy and St. Mary's.

 

[sabach]

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/bracketology

Has in Dayton vs. Monmouth -- I think we'd take that in a second

Has Wichita vs. Temple as the other Play-In game

Other notes:
- Has Arkansas-Little Rock a 12: To me that means they are only a placeholder for their conference title, if they lose today they look like they are out (according to him)
- Other 11's are Chattanooga and Michigan
- Oregon State and Cincinnati a 10
- VCU and SBU a 9, St. Joe's an 8 -- which means no matter what happens today in the A10 it won't be a bid steal situation
- He has UConn a 10 which is interesting. To me that means they are back on the bubble if they lose, Memphis isn't a good team

Based on the other teams in the play-in games, I think we could survive 1 bid steal and still be in -- the only bid steal today is Memphis. I think if Memphis did win it would ironically put Temple on the OUT looking in. UConn would also be in-play for Dayton.

Palm has 3 A10 teams in along with Michigan, Monmouth, Temple and Wichita. He feels our resume is better than Valpo, Vandy and St. Mary's.

Hard to look at that and nto feel good about our chances tonight

At some point the committee has to come to a final plan which cannot be too dependent in heat happens today. I think Sparty is a one regardless. Last night I said that a Uconn loss kicks Temple out of a play in and out of the dance and a Uconn win keeps Temple in the play in. I think we are in. And Temple is in if Memphis loses and out if Memphis wins.

 

[sabach]

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/bracketology

Has in Dayton vs. Monmouth -- I think we'd take that in a second

Has Wichita vs. Temple as the other Play-In game

Other notes:
- Has Arkansas-Little Rock a 12: To me that means they are only a placeholder for their conference title, if they lose today they look like they are out (according to him)
- Other 11's are Chattanooga and Michigan
- Oregon State and Cincinnati a 10
- VCU and SBU a 9, St. Joe's an 8 -- which means no matter what happens today in the A10 it won't be a bid steal situation
- He has UConn a 10 which is interesting. To me that means they are back on the bubble if they lose, Memphis isn't a good team

He has us as the last in -- a Memphis win would knock us out completely according to Palm. I'm surprised he has Temple ahead of us. I would think Temple would be out if Memphis won.

Palm has 3 A10 teams in along with Michigan, Monmouth, Temple and Wichita. He feels our resume is better than Valpo, Vandy and St. Mary's.

He also has SDSU out.

 

[CusefanATL]

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/bracketology

Has in Dayton vs. Monmouth -- I think we'd take that in a second

Has Wichita vs. Temple as the other Play-In game

Other notes:
- Has Arkansas-Little Rock a 12: To me that means they are only a placeholder for their conference title, if they lose today they look like they are out (according to him)
- Other 11's are Chattanooga and Michigan
- Oregon State and Cincinnati a 10
- VCU and SBU a 9, St. Joe's an 8 -- which means no matter what happens today in the A10 it won't be a bid steal situation
- He has UConn a 10 which is interesting. To me that means they are back on the bubble if they lose, Memphis isn't a good team

He has us as the last in -- a Memphis win would knock us out completely according to Palm. I'm surprised he has Temple ahead of us. I would think Temple would be out if Memphis won.

Palm has 3 A10 teams in along with Michigan, Monmouth, Temple and Wichita. He feels our resume is better than Valpo, Vandy and St. Mary's.

Wow, we get Buddy Heild in the sweet 16. Win.

 

[sabach]

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/bracketology

Has in Dayton vs. Monmouth -- I think we'd take that in a second

Has Wichita vs. Temple as the other Play-In game

Other notes:
- Has Arkansas-Little Rock a 12: To me that means they are only a placeholder for their conference title, if they lose today they look like they are out (according to him)
- Other 11's are Chattanooga and Michigan
- Oregon State and Cincinnati a 10
- VCU and SBU a 9, St. Joe's an 8 -- which means no matter what happens today in the A10 it won't be a bid steal situation
- He has UConn a 10 which is interesting. To me that means they are back on the bubble if they lose, Memphis isn't a good team

He has us as the last in -- a Memphis win would knock us out completely according to Palm. I'm surprised he has Temple ahead of us. I would think Temple would be out if Memphis won.

Palm has 3 A10 teams in along with Michigan, Monmouth, Temple and Wichita. He feels our resume is better than Valpo, Vandy and St. Mary's.

He does have us last in and Monmouth next to last. Why would he match us up with Monmouth and not Wichita. Why would 67 play 68?

 

[jdubs30]

He does have us last in and Monmouth next to last. Why would he match us up with Monmouth and not Wichita. Why would 67 play 68?

He probably didn't want to matchup Monmouth with Wichita

 

[STEVEHOLT]

Can you imagine if we get in and then cooney takes the last shot to make or break? It would be the ultimate shakespearean comedy / tragedy.

 

[sabach]

He probably didn't want to matchup Monmouth with Wichita

If we are 68 and Wichita is 65, we should play Wichita and Temple against Monmouth.

 

[SBU72]

At some point the committee has to come to a final plan which cannot be too dependent in heat happens today. I think Sparty is a one regardless. Last night I said that a Uconn loss kicks Temple out of a play in and out of the dance and a Uconn win keeps Temple in the play in. I think we are in. And Temple is in if Memphis loses and out if Memphis wins.

If you believe some of the reports, the committee has ALREADY chosen the field and today is just seeding.

 

[Dave85]

Can you imagine if we get in and then cooney takes the last shot to make or break? It would be the ultimate shakespearean comedy / tragedy.

Or, the tragedy already happened. I don't think we are in. In Massey ratings we dropped from 44 to 46. If we went from 44 to 42 maybe we had a chance. I doubt very much we are in at this point.

http://masseyratings.com/cb/compare.htm

I predicted this would be a bubble team from the beginning of the season. And there was a point where I thought they would be in. But man, losing so many games at the end of the season. Losing to Pitt 3 times was a killer. This is not enough to get in.

There's always next year! All disappointments are happy fuel being stored up for when something really good happens.

 

[CaptainJ]

Can you imagine if we get in and then cooney takes the last shot to make or break? It would be the ultimate shakespearean comedy / tragedy.

Dammit, what if he made it? Redemption for the Coon Dog?

 

[Dave85]

Dammit, what if he made it? Redemption for the Coon Dog?

My first wife did not believe in redemption. It was pure Hell towards the end. It kind of reminds me of this season.

 

[STEVEHOLT]

My first wife did not believe in redemption. It was pure Hell towards the end. It kind of reminds me of this season.

why is the Massey thing so important in your estimation? It has Michigan, USC, Oregon state, Monmouth all behind us, so I dont see it was all that bad. Puts us right where we thought we were..barely in or barely out.

 

[STEVEHOLT]

It sounds like the theory of predetermination and the free will is just an illusion and all of our choices are just mathematical odds based on the probability of different electrochemical reactions...the whole "nothing is new under the sun"

I'm happy if cuse is in whether predetermined or not.

I like to think of it in a more egocentric manner. There is free will. In fact, nothing is predetermined. In fact there are infinite realities taking place at the same time in different dimensions based on the infinite combination of choices WE make.
Power to the people.

 

[wallacecuse]

At some point the committee has to come to a final plan which cannot be too dependent in heat happens today. I think Sparty is a one regardless. Last night I said that a Uconn loss kicks Temple out of a play in and out of the dance and a Uconn win keeps Temple in the play in. I think we are in. And Temple is in if Memphis loses and out if Memphis wins.

I think Temple is in period. Can't recall a regular season champ being excluded no matter how bad the committee hates the AAC.

 

[jdubs30]

Or, the tragedy already happened. I don't think we are in. In Massey ratings we dropped from 44 to 46. If we went from 44 to 42 maybe we had a chance. I doubt very much we are in at this point.

http://masseyratings.com/cb/compare.htm

I predicted this would be a bubble team from the beginning of the season. And there was a point where I thought they would be in. But man, losing so many games at the end of the season. Losing to Pitt 3 times was a killer. This is not enough to get in.

There's always next year! All disappointments are happy fuel being stored up for when something really good happens.

why is the Massey thing so important in your estimation? It has Michigan, USC, Oregon state, Monmouth all behind us, so I dont see it was all that bad. Puts us right where we thought we were..barely in or barely out.

Exactly...that's an odd thing to pin point, it's not like we went from 42 to 82.

And to SteveHolt's point -- Michigan, USC, Oregon State, St. Bonaventure, Temple and Monmouth are behind us while South Carolina, Valpo, St. Mary's and Vandy are ahead of us. So we are right smack dab in the middle of our fellow bubble buddies.

Ironically, the teams behind us seem to more of a lock to be in the field than the team's infront of us do. Most brackets right now have Michigan, Oregon State and SBU/Temple in while they have Valpo, St. Mary's and Vandy out

 

[CaptainJ]

I think Temple is in period. Can't recall a regular season champ being excluded no matter how bad the committee hates the AAC.

I heard something about their something being .500 and that only 4 teams in a great many years have made it in with that. I forget what was .500, but the way it was explained made it seem unlikely.

You do make a compelling argument about regular season title belt holders though.

 

[jdubs30]

I think Temple is in period. Can't recall a regular season champ being excluded no matter how bad the committee hates the AAC.

Temple is tough. But Akron, Valpo, UAB, etc. all were 1 seeds in their conferences and won't get in. Remember, Temple is not in a P5 conference, so this kind of thing happens all the time.

Again with Temple:
81 SOS and 59 RPI
1-4 vs. the top 25 5-6 vs. the top 50 and 7-9 vs. the top 100
13 wins vs. 200 + RPI teams
A loss to 217 East Carolina
Best OOC win: 204 Fairleigh Dickinson
To their credit they scheduled tough OOC but lost all of them

Comparing them to us:
42 SOS and 71 RPI
2-5 vs. the top 25 5-6 vs. the top 50 and 8-10 vs. the top 100
6 wins vs. 200+ RPI teams
A loss to 246 St. John's
3 top 50 OOC wins: A&M, SBU, UConn

Temple's OOC SOS is 74 and ours is 117 -- but that seems negiable

Temple might be in, but our resume is better.

Temple only had 2 more wins than us and played twice as many games vs. 200+ RPI schools than we did

 

[jdubs30]

I heard something about their something being .500 and that only 4 teams in a great many years have made it in with that. I forget what was .500, but the way it was explained made it seem unlikely.

You do make a compelling argument about regular season title belt holders though.

13 of their 21 wins are vs. sub 200 teams -- I think that's what you're referring to

 

[CaptainJ]

13 of their 21 wins are vs. sub 200 teams -- I think that's what you're referring to

No, I would remember that... Whatever I recall was them being .500 at something, if I recall correctly. I will try to reach back deeply...

 

[jncuse]

He does have us last in and Monmouth next to last. Why would he match us up with Monmouth and not Wichita. Why would 67 play 68?

It's because the winner of that game plays in Providence. They try to plan it so the fanbase of the play in winner is not travelling all over the country and may be getting closer to home.

 

[SWC75]

Grumpy just-woke-up guy here:

A loss to Monmouth would look great on on our mantle right next to the losses to Richmond and Vermont.

 

[jdubs30]

Grumpy just-woke-up guy here:

A loss to Monmouth would look great on on our mantle right next to the losses to Richmond and Vermont.

lol well at least we'd both be 11 seeds

 

[bpo57]

Temple is tough. But Akron, Valpo, UAB, etc. all were 1 seeds in their conferences and won't get in. Remember, Temple is not in a P5 conference, so this kind of thing happens all the time.

Again with Temple:
81 SOS and 59 RPI
1-4 vs. the top 25 5-6 vs. the top 50 and 7-9 vs. the top 100
13 wins vs. 200 + RPI teams
A loss to 217 East Carolina
Best OOC win: 204 Fairleigh Dickinson
To their credit they scheduled tough OOC but lost all of them

Comparing them to us:
42 SOS and 71 RPI
2-5 vs. the top 25 5-6 vs. the top 50 and 8-10 vs. the top 100
6 wins vs. 200+ RPI teams
A loss to 246 St. John's
3 top 50 OOC wins: A&M, SBU, UConn

Temple's OOC SOS is 74 and ours is 117 -- but that seems negiable

Temple might be in, but our resume is better.

Temple only had 2 more wins than us and played twice as many games vs. 200+ RPI schools than we did

But Temple puts the Committee in a bind. They went 4-0 in the regular season against UConn and Cinci (beat SMU too) and finished three and two games ahead of them, respectively. They dominated that conference. How does the Committee ignore that?

 

[jdubs30]

But Temple puts the Committee in a bind. They went 4-0 in the regular season against UConn and Cinci (beat SMU too) and finished three and two games ahead of them, respectively. They dominated that conference. How does the Committee ignore that?

They don't - it's part of their resume.

How does the committee ignore that Temple only had 8 wins vs. teams with an RPI better than 200? That's a ridiculous number.