Penn State

[cuse10]

Holy cow, a run on fourth and five. Even Rutgers is shaking its head at that call.

The play was blown up. Ohio State even had a safety on the WR. If Mcsorely didn't hand it off to the HB, he'd have taken a sack. The Buckeyes sniffed it out. Even before the snap, he looked to the sideline.

 

[OrangeinBoston]

100,000+ people wearing a unified color and Pom-Pom.

This is the stuff Wildhack can’t put into an extension. And if you are a coach who has had 14 stops and flat-out loves the game, you want that.

Wildhack won’t be the reason we lose our HC if we do. It’s quite literally us and the culture we don’t have.

You've obviously forgotten the McNabb etc. era. Full Dome, so loud you couldn't hear yourself think. Every bit as intimidating as PSU.

 

[SURules]

You've obviously forgotten the McNabb etc. era. Full Dome, so loud you couldn't hear yourself think. Every bit as intimidating as PSU.

We are headed back to that environment. We just need a few constant winning seasons to win the fans back and get back into the Top 25 again during those seasons. The last several years, two decades almost, were brutal to the fan base.

 

[kcsu]

We lead the Nation on attendance for Basketball. Win and the Dome will be packed.

 

[All4SU]

I understand this viewpoint but he wouldn’t want to look into the stands at Penn State after consecutive 4-8 seasons.

Win and people will show up. It’s really that simple.

It is simple. But I’m that after beating FSU to go 3-9 he was a little dismayed to run into an empty Dome. I’m sure it takes time. But still...

 

[Shrmdougluvr]

We lead the Nation on attendance for Basketball. Win and the Dome will be packed.

These two things are not mutually exclusive.

Having said that, you really only need to draw about 40,000 for the Dome to look full. That means 4 out of every 5 seats are being used, and with the size of folks, and how fans spread out on the bleachers, it should look and sound good. We are not too far from that. The 48000+ crowd days are gone though, except for the rarest of occasions.

 

[OrangeinBoston]

These two things are not mutually exclusive.

The 48000+ crowd days are gone though, except for the rarest of occasions.

No. Gone only until SU puts together some winning seasons.

 

[Chip]

I think Dino is stuck with us and we're stuck with 37k. Hopefully we can at least use this early season success to bump to 40k for the last 3.

If people in seats is his biggest hangup, he's not going to find it with Kansas, Illinois or UNC, the most likely jobs to open.

USC is 3-2 with a true freshman QB. I think Helton will get more than this year. And if they do make a change, no guarantee Dino is even on their radar.

Sad thing is, it shouldn't be hard to find 12k more people. It's not like the place is empty. We're 75% there.

 

[OrangeinBoston]

I think Dino is stuck with us and we're stuck with 37k. Hopefully we can at least use this early season success to bump to 40k for the last 3.

If people in seats is his biggest hangup, he's not going to find it with Kansas, Illinois or UNC, the most likely jobs to open.

USC is 3-2 with a true freshman QB. I think Helton will get more than this year. And if they do make a change, no guarantee Dino is even on their radar.

Sad thing is, it shouldn't be hard to find 12k more people. It's not like the place is empty. We're 75% there.

Doesn't happen overnight. Your average fan won't realize SU is having a winning season till it's over. Next year's attendance should increase.

 

[Chip]

Doesn't happen overnight. Your average fan won't realize SU is having a winning season till it's over. Next year's attendance should increase.

That's why I said maybe only a slight bump, from 37k (we're getting that no matter what) to 40k.

If we beat Pitt, and we find ourselves ranked in both polls, you have a couple weeks to market that and see what you can squeeze out of the UNC crowd.

I do think being ranked will make a difference. Have to get there first. We're not going to see it today, but might get a bump in the votes in AP (I know we have Axe's vote now).

 

[MadNY3]

sure, but that describes what, half a dozen programs? Ten? Those programs are bigger, richer, and more prestigious. I have bad news for you - Syracuse will never, ever, ever be that. Syracuse could win the next 5 national championships in a row and it won't change the fact that it is a smallish (relative to land grant state schools), private school located in the northeast, which doesn't produce high numbers of top shelf talent and whose culture doesn't deify football.

I wouldn't begrudge any Syracuse football coach for leaving for one of those type programs. The good news is that those are elite jobs and they don't come up very often, and when they do come up, the candidates tend to be highly qualified with proven track records of success. It isn't easy to get one of the jobs.

Outside of those elite jobs, there are certainly schools/jobs that are currently higher than Syracuse on the pecking order, but are not inherently something that is in a different league from what Syracuse could become. Provided the money is there, I think Syracuse could make a compelling case to stay.

Comparing Syracuse to that first group will only lead to frustration and isn't helpful. So yes, the Penn State crowd is rocking tonight. Good on them. Doesn't change the fact that attendance is down in the aggregate across the country and most program don't have 100k lunatics screaming in the stands.

It’s less of a comparison to be that. We aren’t.

But there are a few programs that are or can be that. We can’t be in football what we have been are in basketball. More or less to say Wildhack offering a contract extension may not be the end all.

 

[MadNY3]

I get it. We need 8K more people and the place is basically full - so Oregon if we can pull it off. Not a lot of jobs up with stadiums like that, but boy I keep an eye out on TN and USC...

Totally agree on USC. Texas Tech potentially.

I speak out of both sides of my mouth. Just win and the program is back and the job is more attractive. Then I do a post like this...

 

[Bayside44]

Totally agree on USC. Texas Tech potentially.

I speak out of both sides of my mouth. Just win and the program is back and the job is more attractive. Then I do a post like this...

It's maddening because he can see he can win here. It's not that far away with both the team and the fans.

 

[Cusefan0307]

If I am Dino I don’t know I leave if I win 9 or 10 games this year with potential to be just as good or better next year. What’s the upside of going somewhere else and starting over?

 

[Cheriehoop]

It's maddening because he can see he can win here. It's not that far away with both the team and the fans.

Then some people can start whining that they can't get great seats anymore for the best opponents without season tickets, a ticket package or going to stub hub and paying heavily for the pleasure. We;ll know that we're back then.

 

[reedny]

100,000+ people wearing a unified color and Pom-Pom.

This is the stuff Wildhack can’t put into an extension. And if you are a coach who has had 14 stops and flat-out loves the game, you want that.

Wildhack won’t be the reason we lose our HC if we do. It’s quite literally us and the culture we don’t have.

I'm not sure what part of the Penn State "culture" you're talking about. Yes, in a vacuum (or in the South), 100k looks nice. But it's anachronistic at a NE University. And there's a reason for that. All those pom-pom wavers were (are) willing to overlook an industrial-scale P e d o p h I l I a operation to keep their sacred cow producing milk. I'll take 40k normal people over 100k Pennsylvanian FB worshipers any day.

 

[leftytg]

Totally agree on USC. Texas Tech potentially.

I speak out of both sides of my mouth. Just win and the program is back and the job is more attractive. Then I do a post like this...

wait - you think Texas freaking Tech would lure Dino from Syracuse?

That's nuts.

Have you ever been to Lubbock? Or West Texas in general? Texas Tech is the 4th or 5th best program in the state (depending how you rate Tech vs. Baylor). There are no recruits within a 4 hour radius. They've done nothing of note outside the Leach years. It is a program with limited upside.

Maybe, in a hypothetical when he was moving on from Bowling Green and had to choose between Syracuse and Texas Tech, he'd take Tech. But there's no way he'd leave Syracuse 3 years into a rebuild to start over at Tech.

 

[MadNY3]

wait - you think Texas freaking Tech would lure Dino from Syracuse?

That's nuts.

Have you ever been to Lubbock? Or West Texas in general? Texas Tech is the 4th or 5th best program in the state (depending how you rate Tech vs. Baylor). There are no recruits within a 4 hour radius. They've done nothing of note outside the Leach years. It is a program with limited upside.

Maybe, in a hypothetical when he was moving on from Bowling Green and had to choose between Syracuse and Texas Tech, he'd take Tech. But there's no way he'd leave Syracuse 3 years into a rebuild to start over at Tech.

Call me crazy, but I do.

 

[MadNY3]

Yes, in a vacuum (or in the South), 100k looks nice.

Boom. That’s it.

My English may not be great but the point was places where football is more religion and gets those crowds are something we don’t have.

 

[reedny]

Boom. That’s it.

My English may not be great but the point was places where football is more religion and gets those crowds are something we don’t have.

100k just doesn't fit Northeastern culture. We like FB but have other interests and priorities. The reason Penn State's an exception is the underlying psychopathy of its fanbase.

 

[Chip]

Call me crazy, but I do.

It's tough to predict with a coach who's a nomad. Almost think he likes living in all parts of the country. Recruiting in Texas would certainly be appealing.

I wonder if that's the route TT would want to take. They have a high octane offense guy whose teams struggle on defense. They'd be getting the same thing.

 

[OttoMets]

You've obviously forgotten the McNabb etc. era. Full Dome, so loud you couldn't hear yourself think. Every bit as intimidating as PSU.

And less institutionally-supported pederasty.

Advantage: Syracuse.

 

[OrangeinOmaha]

100,000+ people wearing a unified color and Pom-Pom.

This is the stuff Wildhack can’t put into an extension. And if you are a coach who has had 14 stops and flat-out loves the game, you want that.

Wildhack won’t be the reason we lose our HC if we do. It’s quite literally us and the culture we don’t have.

I get what you are saying but I think its just a tad dramatic.

You are gonna sit here and tell me that if Syracuse was top 10 and playing another top 10 team in the nation in the Saturday night prime time game on ABC we wouldn't have a sold out dome with the majority of fans wearing Orange?

I don't know if anyone else noticed this or but it looked like the upper corners of Clemsons stadium were empty on Saturday at times. There were pics on twitter Saturday of quite a few empty sections in Alabama for a game against some group of 5 team with an early kick off, Nebraska's mighty sell out streak has been reported as the biggest sham out there with empty seats popping up at every game and the actual scanned ticket count much much lower than capacity .

Attendance is down across the country and we are just now starting to win. The big game I am looking forward to if we can keep this rolling is NC State. If we handle business against Pitt and UNC which we are highly favored to do and NC State wins against BC and keeps it competitive against Clemson you have a 6-1 ranked Cuse team vs a 5-1 probably still ranked NC State team which would probably get ABC or ESPN at 330 or the ESPN2 night game timeslot Duke and VT were in this weekend. There is your game to wow Dino at with attendance, biggest game in the Dome since 2001 with it being ranked vs ranked, and if NC State somehow knocks off Clemson the week before and comes to the Dome undefeated with a chance for a Syracuse to go into a tie for 1st place in the division with a win late in October that place better be sold out.

 

[OrangeinOmaha]

We lead the Nation on attendance for Basketball. Win and the Dome will be packed.

Agree with this take 100 percent but also a bit misleading due to the size of the dome.

I remember 2 seasons ago when basketball was down a little bit people were complaining about low attendance at basketball. The thing with the Dome for basketball is that its the biggest college basketball arena by 10 thousand seats. So if you get 30k for UNC and Duke at home it doesn't matter if you only get 10k for a BC or some bad non conference game while students are gone. Your average is gonna sky rocket because no other school can pull 30k for one let alone multiple games.

On the football side of things Dino could have us competing in the ACC title hunt every year and I don't think we would still be top 5 in attendance in the ACC cause at just over 50k for a sellout we are on the smaller side of football stadiums.

I don't think its fair to judge attendance numbers off of averages I guess.