percent of offense for Fredericks and Ishmael compared to Pitt and 2012 SU

[Millhouse]

Fredericks and Ishmael make up 23% of the offensive touches, 35% of the TD, and 28% of the yards

For Pitt, Boyd and Ollison make up 45% of the touches, 47% of the TD, and 49% of the the yards.

Two very different approaches. I think they might both be extreme. I don't know this for sure, there's no quick way to do this for every team.

I think the ball is spread around way too much. In 2012, when we had west, sales, gulley, and wales, Smith and Lemon made up, 38% of touches, and 43% of yards. (They were only 23% of TD)

Get the ball to your best RBs and WR

 

[djorange1989]

Agreed. Dungey: less running and more passes. Fredericks: way more touches. Ish and Erv: way more passes their way. Morris and McFarland: lots more bench time

 

[PAcuse]

This year and last I've been at a lose as to how we are dividing up our carries to the RB's. Just give the damn ball to Fredericks and let him do his thing. It seems like in the UVA game they tired to get Ishmael involved earlier they had a nice inside curl route and quick out route (I believe) then it seemed to stop. It's been odd.

 

[TheCusian]

Fredericks and Ishmael make up 23% of the offensive touches, 35% of the TD, and 28% of the yards

For Pitt, Boyd and Ollison make up 45% of the touches, 47% of the TD, and 49% of the the yards.

Two very different approaches. I think they might both be extreme. I don't know this for sure, there's no quick way to do this for every team.

I think the ball is spread around way too much. In 2012, when we had west, sales, gulley, and wales, Smith and Lemon made up, 38% of touches, and 43% of yards. (They were only 23% of TD)

Get the ball to your best RBs and WR

I agree that they should see the ball more, but I don't think we're spreading it around too much. Phillips, Estime, and Strickland are just as good and just as dangerous. I'd use Lewis for blocking and 3rd down specialist, but play him less.

If we simply play a complete game, this whole thing is moot. 500 yds, 40 pts.

 

[Millhouse]

Phillips, Estime, and Strickland are just as good and just as dangerous

i don't think they are.

 

[Millhouse]

i don't think they are.

also we could get those guys more touches and still increase the percentage of the offense that go to fredericks and dungey. there are a lot of plays to go around. i don't need to see any more option pitches

 

[RMH44]

also we could get those guys more touches and still increase the percentage of the offense that go to fredericks and dungey. there are a lot of plays to go around. i don't need to see any more option pitches

I agree about more touches for your best players...but I'd also like to see more plays. We had 65 total plays against UVA in a 3 OT game. That's simply not enough. I hope that Lester has enough faith in ED to turn up the pace and attempt some no huddle.

 

[qdawgg]

I think Lewis is 2nd or 3rd best WR. He runs good routes and has the best hands minus Ish. Don't tell me about his speed, I don't care. He finds ways to get open and makes most of his catches.

 

[PhatOrange]

Phillips statistically averages the most yards and TDs per game.

He has 198 yards and 3 TDs in 3 games. 66 ypg and 1 TD per game.
*has 20 touches - 9.9 yards per touch is team's 3rd best behind Ish and Bris.

I agree with the premise but you have to get Erv touches.

 

[Millhouse]

Phillips statistically averages the most yards and TDs per game.

He has 198 yards and 3 TDs in 3 games. 66 ypg and 1 TD per game.
*has 20 touches - 9.9 yards per touch is team's 3rd best behind Ish and Bris.

I agree with the premise but you have to get Erv touches.

plenty to go around for him, he's next on the list.

i don't want to be pitt either although it does explain how they can run the ball so much and still get great WR all the time. sure we run more than we throw but when we throw, we throw to you. but i'm not jealous of their offense

 

[TheCusian]

plenty to go around for him, he's next on the list.

i don't want to be pitt either although it does explain how they can run the ball so much and still get great WR all the time. sure we run more than we throw but when we throw, we throw to you. but i'm not jealous of their offense

Estime, Strickland, and Phillips should all be used just as much as they have - if not more. The stats bear this out.

We just need more plays per game, more touches - as you and I have agreed on in the past.

If your beef is with option pitches to them, I could see that argument making tons more sense than this one.

 

[Chip]

I just hope the answer isn't that Boyd is open all the time, while Ishmael isn't.

 

[RF2044]

Fredericks and Ishmael make up 23% of the offensive touches, 35% of the TD, and 28% of the yards

For Pitt, Boyd and Ollison make up 45% of the touches, 47% of the TD, and 49% of the the yards.

Two very different approaches. I think they might both be extreme. I don't know this for sure, there's no quick way to do this for every team.

I think the ball is spread around way too much. In 2012, when we had west, sales, gulley, and wales, Smith and Lemon made up, 38% of touches, and 43% of yards. (They were only 23% of TD)

Get the ball to your best RBs and WR

Agree 100%. Get the ball to your best playmakers. Forget spreading it around equally.

 

[PhatOrange]

plenty to go around for him, he's next on the list.

i don't want to be pitt either although it does explain how they can run the ball so much and still get great WR all the time. sure we run more than we throw but when we throw, we throw to you. but i'm not jealous of their offense

Those 3 have to get the most touches for sure. WR, RB and All Purpose back.

This is how I'd line it up going foward:

WR - Ish, Bris, Lewis (Avant/Cornellius/Custis)

TE – Parris, Custis

RB – Fredericks, Strickland

XB – Phillips, Strickland

 

[Millhouse]

I just hope the answer isn't that Boyd is open all the time, while Ishmael isn't.

that might be the case which makes me wonder why they don't throw more

 

[Millhouse]

Estime, Strickland, and Phillips should all be used just as much as they have - if not more. The stats bear this out.

We just need more plays per game, more touches - as you and I have agreed on in the past.

If your beef is with option pitches to them, I could see that argument making tons more sense than this one.

it's not plays per game. i'm not complaining about the actual number of touches here, that's why i used percents

 

[TheCusian]

it's not plays per game. i'm not complaining about the actual number of touches here, that's why i used percents

Yeah, I get that. If there were more plays per game than you could increase the % for Ish and Jordan without messing with the actual touches of the other guys.

I don't think having a higher % at the expense of the other guys is smart. More weapons = harder to game plan against, take away best players, etc. That's why if there were more plays, I'd say increase the %.

 

[ejz555]

I think Lewis is 2nd or 3rd best WR. He runs good routes and has the best hands minus Ish. Don't tell me about his speed, I don't care. He finds ways to get open and makes most of his catches.

I like Ben too. But Ishmael or Phillips don't get enough targets. When its 3rd and 10, I don't want them throwing a five yard pass to Lewis.

 

[jr4750]

I like Ben too. But Ishmael or Phillips don't get enough targets. When its 3rd and 10, I don't want them throwing a five yard pass to Lewis.

amen brother. I hate that play with a passion.

 

[MadNY3]

Fredericks and Ishmael make up 23% of the offensive touches, 35% of the TD, and 28% of the yards

For Pitt, Boyd and Ollison make up 45% of the touches, 47% of the TD, and 49% of the the yards.

Two very different approaches. I think they might both be extreme. I don't know this for sure, there's no quick way to do this for every team.

I think the ball is spread around way too much. In 2012, when we had west, sales, gulley, and wales, Smith and Lemon made up, 38% of touches, and 43% of yards. (They were only 23% of TD)

Get the ball to your best RBs and WR

You need to work for Nate Silver. You slice and dice data in some...thoughtful contexts.

 

[Millhouse]

You need to work for Nate Silver. You slice and dice data in some...thoughtful contexts.

why don't you just spit out your objection

 

[jekelish]

I think Pitt's approach, at least in the passing game, is a LITTLE extreme (Boyd has, if I'm not mistaken, 41 of their 91 total receptions) but I agree with the overall point. I was beyond confused in the second half last week when McFarlane and Morris started getting carries out of nowhere, in particular.

 

[Millhouse]

I think Pitt's approach, at least in the passing game, is a LITTLE extreme (Boyd has, if I'm not mistaken, 41 of their 91 total receptions) but I agree with the overall point. I was beyond confused in the second half last week when McFarlane and Morris started getting carries out of nowhere, in particular.

i don't want to be pitt either - i think they're extreme the other way.

last year pitt was extreme too. boyd and conner had 49% of touches

 

[MadNY3]

why don't you just spit out your objection

No objection at all. Just lots o' data stuff.

 

[qdawgg]

I like Ben too. But Ishmael or Phillips don't get enough targets. When its 3rd and 10, I don't want them throwing a five yard pass to Lewis.

Completely agree. I think if we are targeting Ish and Phillips with consistency, you end up with games where Lewis ends up with 5 - 7 catches and 60 - 80 yards and 1st down catches because the defense sleeps on him. I'm not implying he's a #1 guy that's going to create one his own but I think he's a great complementary WR and those guys are very important.