Pete Rose passes away at 83

[jncuse]

Some issued that deservedly impacted his legacy, but nevertheless he was a baseball legend.
RIP Pete.

 

[jncuse]

 

[sutomcat]

He was a hell of a player. Not the smartest guy in the world. Ignoring the no betting rule for years and assuming he was untouchable was a huge mistake.

I think baseball has to keep the no betting rule. I expect Pete will make the HOF next year.

He paid a huge price so he could gamble in baseball. Hopefully his example helps keep all players from making the same mistake for future generations.

 

[CuseLegacy]

 

[Zelda Zonk]

One of my favorite players when I first started paying attention to baseball as a kid in the 70s. The Reds was the team I first followed.

 

[cliftonparksufan]

He was a hell of a player. Not the smartest guy in the world. Ignoring the no betting rule for years and assuming he was untouchable was a huge mistake.

I think baseball has to keep the no betting rule. I expect Pete will make the HOF next year.

He paid a huge price so he could gamble in baseball. Hopefully his example helps keep all players from making the same mistake for future generations.

I'm just curious if there are writers that aren't in favor of Pete making the HOF. I guess if he was on the ballot we would find out. Based on his statistics he should be unanimous, but you just wonder how many still hold on to the gambling issue. Especially in 2024 when there are so many fans, and probably writers, that take advantage of the ease of sports gambling.

 

[jncuse]

I'm just curious if there are writers that aren't in favor of Pete making the HOF. I guess if he was on the ballot we would find out. Based on his statistics he should be unanimous, but you just wonder how many still hold on to the gambling issue. Especially in 2024 when there are so many fans, and probably writers, that take advantage of the ease of sports gambling.

I'm not sure if it would be the writer's call or the veterans committee call as to whether he gets in the Hall. My guess is that would be the veterans committee.

The writers vote is done 5 years after you retire, for up to a 10 year period after that. So based on that it would be the call of the veterans committee. But he was never on the ballot either, so maybe he would be placed on the writer's ballot first once he is deemed eligible.

 

[cliftonparksufan]

I'm not sure if it would be the writer's call or the veterans committee call as to whether he gets in the Hall. My guess is that would be the veterans committee.

The writers vote is done 5 years after you retire, for up to a 10 year period after that. So based on that it would be the call of the veterans committee. But he was never on the ballot either, so maybe he would be placed on the writer's ballot first once he is deemed eligible.

Interesting. Didn't think of that. Have to think the Veterans Committee are all guys that played with and against Pete.

 

[sutomcat]

I'm not sure if it would be the writer's call or the veterans committee call as to whether he gets in the Hall. My guess is that would be the veterans committee.

The writers vote is done 5 years after you retire, for up to a 10 year period after that. So based on that it would be the call of the veterans committee. But he was never on the ballot either, so maybe he would be placed on the writer's ballot first once he is deemed eligible.

I don’t know for sure. We have all heard Pete was banned for life to I was assuming he would now be eligible for the HOF.

But Shoeless Joe Jackson remains outside the HOF and he has been dead for decades. So maybe the decision of lifetime for baseball really means forever.

That seems over the top and overly harsh. But that appears to be the precedent and maybe Pete is never getting in. Agree if he gets in, it would be via the veterans committee.

 

[SWC75]

Nobody ever questioned his greatness as a player. The problem was, he hustled both on and off the field.

 

[JustPherU]

I’ve always had the opinion that the HOF is a museum and you should put him in and tell the full story on his plaque.
Put him in for Pete’s sake!

 

[maxxyz]

He was a hell of a player. Not the smartest guy in the world. Ignoring the no betting rule for years and assuming he was untouchable was a huge mistake.

I think baseball has to keep the no betting rule. I expect Pete will make the HOF next year.

He paid a huge price so he could gamble in baseball. Hopefully his example helps keep all players from making the same mistake for future generations.

I think he should have to wait as long as shoeless joe jackson had to wait.

 

[jncuse]

I don’t know for sure. We have all heard Pete was banned for life to I was assuming he would now be eligible for the HOF.

But Shoeless Joe Jackson remains outside the HOF and he has been dead for decades. So maybe the decision of lifetime for baseball really means forever.

That seems over the top and overly harsh. But that appears to be the precedent and maybe Pete is never getting in. Agree if he gets in, it would be via the veterans committee.

I guess it depends on what "banned for life" means for Major League Baseball. I think it probably extends beyond your "life" in traditional terms.

If I had to bet I don't think Pete Rose will ever be made eligible for the HOF. But I wouldn't be surprised either if he eventually was.

 

[JustPherU]

I don’t know for sure. We have all heard Pete was banned for life to I was assuming he would now be eligible for the HOF.

But Shoeless Joe Jackson remains outside the HOF and he has been dead for decades. So maybe the decision of lifetime for baseball really means forever.

That seems over the top and overly harsh. But that appears to be the precedent and maybe Pete is never getting in. Agree if he gets in, it would be via the veterans committee.

Rule 21 does say permanently ineligible. I don’t agree it should be that way, but that is how it reads.

 

[Dcuse]

He seemed like a hard guy dealing with demons. He was one of the greatest to ever play the game but I will forever believe he should never get in the HOF. It’s black and white……You gamble on the game and you’re OUT…..FOREVER.

 

[SWC75]

I guess it depends on what "banned for life" means for Major League Baseball. I think it probably extends beyond your "life" in traditional terms.

If I had to bet I don't think Pete Rose will ever be made eligible for the HOF. But I wouldn't be surprised either if he eventually was.

Can he get into heaven?

 

[pfister1]

I'm just curious if there are writers that aren't in favor of Pete making the HOF. I guess if he was on the ballot we would find out. Based on his statistics he should be unanimous, but you just wonder how many still hold on to the gambling issue. Especially in 2024 when there are so many fans, and probably writers, that take advantage of the ease of sports gambling.

Now that he’s gone the gambling is almost another reason to put him in, because it was a HUGE story at the time and brought huge change to the way professional players and gambling was monitored forever. It wouldn’t be a “good” piece of his legacy, but a huge piece nonetheless.

And then there’s the All Time Hits leader thing. A National League MVP. Three World Series championships and 17x All Star. Wait! 17x All Star……….

And who can forget that back in the day he was guy that amateur coaches used to like to hold up to their players as playing the game the right way... Ran out every ball he put in play and always motoring on the field..... There's a reason he was Charlie Hustle.

Once he's passed it's no longer an "Honor" for him, but his legacy is a HUGE reflection of the game over a LONG period of time. And all this from a Yankees Fan?!?!?!?!?

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

I don’t know for sure. We have all heard Pete was banned for life to I was assuming he would now be eligible for the HOF.

But Shoeless Joe Jackson remains outside the HOF and he has been dead for decades. So maybe the decision of lifetime for baseball really means forever.

That seems over the top and overly harsh. But that appears to be the precedent and maybe Pete is never getting in. Agree if he gets in, it would be via the veterans committee.

The HOF is separate from MLB. It is a not for profit educational institution.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

He seemed like a hard guy dealing with demons. He was one of the greatest to ever play the game but I will forever believe he should never get in the HOF. It’s black and white……You gamble on the game and you’re OUT…..FOREVER.

You are out of baseball, not the HOF, which is separate.

 

[Lord Ashby]

You are out of baseball, not the HOF, which is separate.

They are seperate but they are tied very closely at the hip. Manfred is on the Board of Directors of HoF, and the bylaws for ERA's Committees state: (c) Any person designated by the Office of the Commissioner of Major League Baseball as ineligible shall not be an eligible candidate. This could be amended but I would not hold my breath waiting for that happen.

 

[SUFaninNJ]

Another piece of my childhood gone. The Big Red Machine were my team growing up. I was recently wondering with my upcoming trip to Vegas if Pete was still doing signings at Caesars.

Such a sad day losing Rose, Mutombo and Gavin Creel all at once. It's a lot to process.

 

[Dcuse]

You are out of baseball, not the HOF, which is separate.

Why? It's not for Joe Jackson.

 

[MSOrange]

 

[SUFaninNJ]

My idols.

 

[SWC75]

Why? It's not for Joe Jackson.

I always thought they banned Pete from employment in the game to avoid him become Shoeless Joe since he hadn't been actually found to have done anything to throw a game and that honoring for what he'd done in the past ought to still be possible.