Pete Thamel

[kcsu]

Here's a couple of things I think are accurate.
Red isn't being paid 5m a year
He will be back next year
If he has a decent season he will be given year 4 even if we don't make the dance.
It's not first hand but I believe it to be solid.

 

[elimunelson]

Actually, several people just today have said that the buyout is not nearly as big as some have suggested. I tend to believe them.

People love to claim that SU is cheap, and yet they’re eager to believe that they promised Red untold riches if he gets fired? Doesn’t add up, does it?

Unserious program summed up here

 

[Scooch]

Unserious program summed up here

Are you OK, my man?

Whats “unserious” about not having a buyout as large as some people are claiming? Wouldn’t that be a serious program? I’m so confused.

 

[DanielA]

Here's a couple of things I think are accurate.
Red isn't being paid 5m a year
He will be back next year
If he has a decent season he will be given year 4 even if we don't make the dance.
It's not first hand but I believe it to be solid.

I agree with everything but the last part I don’t think he comes back if they don’t make the tournament next year.

 

[elimunelson]

Are you OK, my man?

Whats “unserious” about not having a buyout as large as some people are claiming? Wouldn’t that be a serious program? I’m so confused.

No I’m agreeing w you. The narratives being thrown around make us unserious to retain, I don’t believe the number is as high.

If he has 9mm buyout John needs his head examined

If it’s much lower John’s head has to be examined if we retain

Am I watching the same season as others? Maybe I’m confusing bc w Syracuse. Colors are the same (sigh)

We don’t rebuild we reload. 40 years of doing that and now we are rudderless. Sad

 

[Cusefan0307]

Right. I don’t disagree. The portal was awful. But that means firing him for one bad offseason. He knew he screwed that up and needed a GM type. He got one. If he screws up again, there’s no excuse and he’s gone.

They’re fooling themselves if they think just making the tournament is going to quiet people down and drag people back to the dome. Making the first 4 as a 10 seed won’t do it. I’m in a fantasy football league with 9 other late 30’s/early 40’s alums. Every single person wants to see a coaching change and they don’t care about next years recruits. It appears to me that the administration does not realize the anger and apathy within the fanbase.

 

[elimunelson]

They’re fooling themselves if they think just making the tournament is going to quiet people down and drag people back to the dome. Making the first 4 as a 10 seed won’t do it. I’m in a fantasy football league with 9 other late 30’s/early 40’s alums. Every single person wants to see a coaching change and they don’t care about next years recruits. It Appears to me that the administration does not realize the anger and apathy within the fanbase.

It’s inevitable he’s gone in next 24 months. If you start at that premise expectations can be managed.

I just get furious at the evaluation of hc material on the hill. It was beyond unserious.

 

[MSOrange]

You are putting JB on Wildhack? I don't. Impossible situation and would bet JB has close friends in the BoT providing him "air support " for years. That was a unicorn situation with a Hall a famer who built it and almost burned it to the ground. In regards to Dino, 99% of the people on this board wanted him extended after the bowl game. The Red hire should have been a search. I don't like the contract but again I would wager BoT interests and other influences played a role in who got hired. Does ADJW have authority on certain things? Absolutely. You think he has control over things like Hall of Fame coaches with friends on the BoT and who then literally goes mental at the end? No way.

I agree with a lot of what you say here. If you don't think politics played a role in keeping JB as long as he did and who succeeded him, you're naive and apparently have no experience with office politics.

As far as Dino, we differ a bit. Most of us absolutely would have extended Dino when we did and thought it was a great move. I know I did. But I've made decisions at work that made a lot of sense at the time that didn't work out and we're judged on results, not intentions.

 

[Red2003]

It isn't that. It's on the altar of money. We aren't going to eat 9 million bucks plus paya new coach

Serious question is Autry's contract on the low end of what ACC or P4 coach are getting now days? if it is then I can at least just be frustrated but would understand.

 

[Scooch]

No I’m agreeing w you. The narratives being thrown around make us unserious to retain, I don’t believe the number is as high.

If he has 9mm buyout John needs his head examined

If it’s much lower John’s head has to be examined if we retain

Am I watching the same season as others? Maybe I’m confusing bc w Syracuse. Colors are the same (sigh)

We don’t rebuild we reload. 40 years of doing that and now we are rudderless. Sad

I’ll be honest, I don’t get particularly passionate about head coaching decisions anymore.

Like, there was every reason for the Pats to can Mayo after one season. He was awful. But if Kraft brought him back I wasn’t going to scream about it.

Same here. This year has been so bad that there’s every reason to let Red go. He couldn’t have blown the offseason worse. And there has been zero improvement from anyone on the team.

But when the inevitable press conference comes that proclaims Red back for another season I’m not going to wail and moan and say the program is dead. It’s one season. He’ll either fix it (unlikely but not impossible) or he’ll be let go around this time next year.

 

[TexanMark]

I agree with everything but the last part I don’t think he comes back if they don’t make the tournament next year.

Kinda my feeling too...NCAA or bust. NIT might be enough especially if injuries or something beyond the staff's control happens in 25-26.

 

[Red2003]

I’m not challenging anyone, but I’m also very skeptical that there’s a buyout that high. It makes no sense.

I'm reading it as the 9 million is the buyout plus the next coach's potential contract? If it was 4 years at 2 mil and Autry doesn't actually stink then it looks like a good deal. I can't see him making 3 mil a year.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Serious question is Autry's contract on the low end of what ACC or P4 coach are getting now days? if it is then I can at least just be frustrated but would understand.

If he’s getting 3 million like people suggested that’s a higher starting salary than Hubert had at UNC and right in line with keatts. With Bennett gone it would mean that likely only Scheyer, Capel, Kelsey and Brownell are higher. Brownell just got a raise last year after Clemsons elite 8 run.

 

[TexanMark]

In defense of Red...he has had a higher amount of injuries and an early season schedule that didn't help.

 

[orange79]

But when the inevitable press conference comes that proclaims Red back for another season I’m not going to wail and moan and say the program is dead.

Right or wrong, this decision screams to me the release of a statement beginning, "From the office of the Syracuse University Athletic Director" as opposed to an in-person presser where things could get, well, uncomfortable.

 

[richmondcuse03]

I don't believe they thought the talent pool was empty when he took over in 23. He inherited JBs best recruiting class ever for their sophomore year. It was year 2 of the 2 year plan w them that includes not using the portal to recruit over them when they were freshman. Then add JJ, Chance, Mcloud, Cuffe. Losing Girard was thought no big deal, losing Edwards did sting a bit though.

nobody believed it was JB's best recruiting class ever, including JB. He said things. Old people say even crazier things.

 

[Red2003]

If he’s getting 3 million like people suggested that’s a higher starting salary than Hubert had at UNC and right in line with keatts. With Bennett gone it would mean that likely only Scheyer, Capel, Kelsey and Brownell are higher. Brownell just got a raise last year after Clemsons elite 8 run.

Ok, I just read back through this entire thing this morning. 1 or 2 people said 9-10 million "buyout" based on 2nd or 3rd hand information but then that was also implied that was also including the the cost of the next coach. Too many people then just ran with that must mean he is getting 3 a year. I have not seen anyone anywhere ever say he is getting 3 a year.

If anyone wants to put their neck on the line saying they know he got 3 mil a year please correct me?

 

[richmondcuse03]

They’re fooling themselves if they think just making the tournament is going to quiet people down and drag people back to the dome. Making the first 4 as a 10 seed won’t do it. I’m in a fantasy football league with 9 other late 30’s/early 40’s alums. Every single person wants to see a coaching change and they don’t care about next years recruits. It appears to me that the administration does not realize the anger and apathy within the fanbase.

I don't disagree with you. I've shared that viewpoint as well directly with the powers that be (at least the apathy and anger part). I think it's tournament or bust next year.

 

[MSOrange]

nobody believed it was JB's best recruiting class ever, including JB. He said things. Old people say even crazier things.

Exactly. "JB says things" was a thing for most of his tenure and it went into overdrive in the later years.

 

[Red2003]

If he’s getting 3 million like people suggested that’s a higher starting salary than Hubert had at UNC and right in line with keatts. With Bennett gone it would mean that likely only Scheyer, Capel, Kelsey and Brownell are higher. Brownell just got a raise last year after Clemsons elite 8 run.

Yes and Keates and Brownell and also Capel also got extensions and raises after good years, which bumped them up.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

I'm reading it as the 9 million is the buyout plus the next coach's potential contract? If it was 4 years at 2 mil and Autry doesn't actually stink then it looks like a good deal. I can't see him making 3 mil a year.

A. Red's buyout.

B. Assuming the next coach is currently under contract to another school, SU may have to pay some or all of that buyout.

C. The next coach's salary for 2025-26 or 2026-27.

A+B+C = 9 million we have to come up with?

 

[TexanMark]

I'm reading it as the 9 million is the buyout plus the next coach's potential contract? If it was 4 years at 2 mil and Autry doesn't actually stink then it looks like a good deal. I can't see him making 3 mil a year.

I agree with you...I have no knowledge of the contract but Red was hired as an unproven head coach.

 

[FrancoPizza]

he will be given year 4 even if we don't make the dance.

good lord.

 

[Red2003]

I'm not going to pretend to know the accuracy of this but I think people should take a look and come to their own conclusions on what Autry is getting.

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[elimunelson]

I’ll be honest, I don’t get particularly passionate about head coaching decisions anymore.

Like, there was every reason for the Pats to can Mayo after one season. He was awful. But if Kraft brought him back I wasn’t going to scream about it.

Same here. This year has been so bad that there’s every reason to let Red go. He couldn’t have blown the offseason worse. And there has been zero improvement from anyone on the team.

But when the inevitable press conference comes that proclaims Red back for another season I’m not going to wail and moan and say the program is dead. It’s one season. He’ll either fix it (unlikely but not impossible) or he’ll be let go around this time next year.

I guess I agree but also realize I’m getting older and enjoy good seasons vs ones that are punts. The age thing is also a smoothing agent realizing none of this stuff really matters. I’m not gonna go there probably another thread of my real interest today vs 2001

I love that Kraft did the hard thing. That’s leadership. Feel like Syracuse is allergic to doing something that could be perceived as rash or cold.