Class of 2023 - PG Garwey Dual (TX) TRANSFERRING TO SYRACUSE (4/11/26) | Page 27 | Syracusefan.com

Class of 2023 PG Garwey Dual (TX) TRANSFERRING TO SYRACUSE (4/11/26)

23Zone said:
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OK. That's perfectly fine. Who's your comp?

Others said Kadary Richmond, Michael Carter-Williams, or maybe even Lazarus Sims.

I don't think any PG who is a poor FT shooter should start, ever. Because he can't finish the game for you.

Is this our starter? I like him off the bench, but not as the starter.
 
baggerbob said:
Look the only kind of player who would be a sure thing would be someone who had a freshman year like DC had and you don't get that anymore because those players go in
the draft.
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I disagree.
 
Zelda Zonk said:
If I knew what any of those letters meant, you would have made a very strong argument.
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  • OBPR: Offensive Bayesian Performance Rating reflects the offensive value a player brings to his team when he is on the court. This rating incorporates a player’s individual efficiency stats and on-court play-by-play impact, and also accounts for the offensive strength of other teammates on the floor with him, along with the defensive strength of the opponent’s players on the floor. OBPR is interpreted as the number of offensive points per 100 possessions above D1 average expected by the player’s team if the player were on the court with 9 other average players. A higher rating is better.
  • DBPR: Defensive Bayesian Performance Rating reflects the defensive value a player brings to his team when he is on the court. This rating incorporates a player’s individual efficiency stats and on-court play-by-play impact, and also accounts for the defensive strength of other teammates on the floor with him, along with the offensive strength of the opponent’s players on the floor. DBPR is interpreted as the number of defensive points per 100 possessions better than (below) D1 average expected to be allowed by the player’s team if the player were on the court with 9 other average players. A higher rating is better.
  • BPR: Bayesian Performance Rating is the sum of a player’s OBPR and DBPR. This rating is the ultimate measure of a player’s overall value to his team when he is on the floor. BPR is interpreted as the number of points per 100 possessions better than the opponent the player’s team is expected to be if the player were on the court with 9 other average players. A higher rating is better.
 
sutomcat said:
  • OBPR: Offensive Bayesian Performance Rating reflects the offensive value a player brings to his team when he is on the court. This rating incorporates a player’s individual efficiency stats and on-court play-by-play impact, and also accounts for the offensive strength of other teammates on the floor with him, along with the defensive strength of the opponent’s players on the floor. OBPR is interpreted as the number of offensive points per 100 possessions above D1 average expected by the player’s team if the player were on the court with 9 other average players. A higher rating is better.
  • DBPR: Defensive Bayesian Performance Rating reflects the defensive value a player brings to his team when he is on the court. This rating incorporates a player’s individual efficiency stats and on-court play-by-play impact, and also accounts for the defensive strength of other teammates on the floor with him, along with the offensive strength of the opponent’s players on the floor. DBPR is interpreted as the number of defensive points per 100 possessions better than (below) D1 average expected to be allowed by the player’s team if the player were on the court with 9 other average players. A higher rating is better.
  • BPR: Bayesian Performance Rating is the sum of a player’s OBPR and DBPR. This rating is the ultimate measure of a player’s overall value to his team when he is on the floor. BPR is interpreted as the number of points per 100 possessions better than the opponent the player’s team is expected to be if the player were on the court with 9 other average players. A higher rating is better.
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Oof, man, you know, those Bayesians.

They're twitchy.
 
sutomcat said:
Someone said Dual was comparable to Samir Torrence. I assume they are saying pre-transfer.

I pulled the numbers from Evan Miya’s site. Here they are:

Dual’s OBPR for McNeese State was.2.63. His DBPR was 3.39. His overall BPR was 6.02.

Torrence’s OBPR for Marquette was 0.60. His DBPR was 0.19. His overall BPR was 0.79. This was for his last year at Marquette, which was 2020-21.

So that comparison was not a very good one.
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It’s not even close. Dual is way better. He put up similar stats to Copeland at McNeese. This thread is full of histrionics.
 
IthacaMatt said:
OK. That's perfectly fine. Who's your comp?
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You don't need to offer an alternative to validate pointing out a bad comparison.

I understand people are frustrated, angry, hungry for success and fearful that it may not go well. Its just sports though. I sincerely hope that you are having a great life outside this place.
 
sutomcat said:
Someone said Dual was comparable to Samir Torrence. I assume they are saying pre-transfer.

I pulled the numbers from Evan Miya’s site. Here they are:

Dual’s OBPR for McNeese State was.2.63. His DBPR was 3.39. His overall BPR was 6.02.

Torrence’s OBPR for Marquette was 0.60. His DBPR was 0.19. His overall BPR was 0.79. This was for his last year at Marquette, which was 2020-21.

So that comparison was not a very good one.
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You are being too kind.
 
IthacaMatt said:
OK. That's perfectly fine. Who's your comp?

Others said Kadary Richmond, Michael Carter-Williams, or maybe even Lazarus Sims.

I don't think any PG who is a poor FT shooter should start, ever. Because he can't finish the game for you.

Is this our starter? I like him off the bench, but not as the starter.
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id say a duany who isnt as good of a shooter but a better passer and driver

funny enough, he was a teammate of gmac
 
IthacaMatt said:
Symir was supposed to be a steadying influence, like people are talking about Dual as a "mature senior".

My point is that neither displayed a lot of offense at their previous schools.

Tomcat, you are exceptional at analysis, Who is your comp, if mine is so bad?
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We have already discussed this but I will try and answer,

Quadir Copeland is a pretty good comp.

He and Garwey played at McNeese State. Garway replaced Copeland as the McNeese State PG.

They were both juniors their last season at McNeese. Copeland is 6’6, Dual 6’5.

Copeland’s OPBR at McNeese was 1.32. His DPBR was 2.72. His overall BPR was 4.04.

Dual’s OPBR at McNeese was 2.63. His DPBR was 3.39. His overall BPR was 6.02. He was a better player than Copeland on offense and defense.

Dual made the Southland conference all defense team. Quadir did not. Quadir did make second team all conference. Garwey did not.

Copeland went to NC State, which was just good enough to make the NCAA tournament. I think Dual is a good enough PG to get SU to the big dance but work still needs to be done. So far, so good.
 
sutomcat said:
We have already discussed this but I will try and answer,

Quadir Copeland is a pretty good comp.

He and Garwey played at McNeese State. Garway replaced Copeland as the McNeese State PG.

They were both juniors their last season at McNeese. Copeland is 6’6, Dual 6’5.

Copeland’s OPBR at McNeese was 1.32. His DPBR was 2.72. His overall BPR was 4.04.

Dual’s OPBR at McNeese was 2.63. His DPBR was 3.39. His overall BPR was 6.02. He was a better player than Copeland on offense and defense.

Dual made the Southland conference all defense team. Quadir did not. Quadir did make second team all conference. Garwey did not.

Copeland went to NC State, which was just good enough to make the NCAA tournament. I think Dual is a good enough PG to get SU to the big dance but work still needs to be done. So far, so good.
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He wont respond to this because he should realize how crazy of a comp Symir was……
 
Cusefan0307 said:
It’s not even close. Dual is way better. He put up similar stats to Copeland at McNeese. This thread is full of histrionics.
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So who would you compare him to it’s so much easier to criticize someone else’s opinion without offering one of your own.
 
sutomcat said:
We have already discussed this but I will try and answer,

Quadir Copeland is a pretty good comp.

He and Garwey played at McNeese State. Garway replaced Copeland as the McNeese State PG.

They were both juniors their last season at McNeese. Copeland is 6’6, Dual 6’5.

Copeland’s OPBR at McNeese was 1.32. His DPBR was 2.72. His overall BPR was 4.04.

Dual’s OPBR at McNeese was 2.63. His DPBR was 3.39. His overall BPR was 6.02. He was a better player than Copeland on offense and defense.

Dual made the Southland conference all defense team. Quadir did not. Quadir did make second team all conference. Garwey did not.

Copeland went to NC State, which was just good enough to make the NCAA tournament. I think Dual is a good enough PG to get SU to the big dance but work still needs to be done. So far, so good.
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Very good response. Thanks. If he could be Quadur Part 2, I would be happy about that.
 
jordoo said:
You don't need to offer an alternative to validate pointing out a bad comparison.

I understand people are frustrated, angry, hungry for success and fearful that it may not go well. Its just sports though. I sincerely hope that you are having a great life outside this place.
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Well , I kind I’d think you DO need to offer an alternate comp or opinion.

If you think that people should CARE about your opinion, evidence of your point of view would seem to be helpful.
 
IthacaMatt said:
Well , I kind I’d think you DO need to offer an alternate comp or opinion.

If you think that people should CARE about your opinion, evidence of your point of view would seem to be helpful.
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Obviously we all have opinions but logically one does not need to offer an alternative to point out a poor comparison. Certainly that could help make the case though.

Again I hope life is great.
 

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