Should just simplify this and keep the blocking at the line of scrimmage or behind it. I hate this 3 to 5 yard thing and the refs have no clue or don't call it way too often.
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Should just simplify this and keep the blocking at the line of scrimmage or behind it. I hate this 3 to 5 yard thing and the refs have no clue or don't call it way too often.
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On a field goal attempt, when they were in the top five during Marrone's first year, right?
Man, that made me mad. We played them pretty well that day.
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That play still pisses me off
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There's a pic 2 posts above this.#7 is setting a pick and nothing more.It's as clear as day.BOTH RECEIVERS ARE COMMITTING PENALTIES.
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What startled me was that it was a 15 yard penalty, wth? Seems like it should just be loss of down, maybe 5 yards.
I saw Offensive PI on an NFL game and the penalty was only 10 yards.
15 is a killer, especially in college, at the end zone.
I saw Offensive PI on an NFL game and the penalty was only 10 yards.
15 is a killer, especially in college, at the end zone.
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Seems severe doesn't it especially when defensive PI is not a spot foul like the NFL. On passes over 15 yards you might as well interfere with a receiver when beaten.
Yep. Callabras or whatever the heck his name was who was the freshmen qb threw the winning td pass. Wasn't the linemen in the bloody endzone?
I was shocked the refs never saw it an to be honest annoyed that the SU staff didn't point it out.
the picture doesnt show anything. it shows 4 guys hitting each other. its how the contact got created that matters.. for all we know perhaps FSU is teaching the contact to draw a pick penalty.. and its not a pick play if they guy you hit is not the guy who is supposed to make the play.. the inside guy doesnt matter he never gets there even with no contact.. the outside FSu guy actually jumps inside and grabs the ND Wr to stop the slant. FSU blew the coverage and got rewarded. I saw several analysts says the same thing over the weekend as well, FSU didnt hand off the Wr correctly..
now if the outside FSU guy had tried to switch out and the WR had made contact then i would agree but thats not what happened. the inside WR did a bad job running the play and it looks worse, but he wasnt the one the penalty was called on.
I didnt want ND to win so I can live with the call. the one they blew in the UCLA game gets no mention and that was way worse. that one got reviewed and blown..
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Even Golic admitted it was a poorly run pick play by ND and that the call was made correctly. He said the fact that ND had already run the play for a TD meant the refs had heard from FSU and were looking for it. He said that the ND receivers were too blatant at "initiating the contact" (his words not mine) and that the play was designed well enough that contact wasn't needed.
What kind of route do you think the inside ND receiver is running with his body position like that? Do you think the FSU DB is grabbing him and pulling him into the end zone?
What kind of route do you think the inside ND receiver is running with his body position like that? Do you think the FSU DB is grabbing him and pulling him into the end zone?
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listening to ND fans whine about this reminds me of Dave Chappelle testifying for R Kelly
i am trying to imagine would would possibly qualify as a pick play for ND fans
kelly banked on the refs not having the guts to call it. screw him
i am trying to imagine would would possibly qualify as a pick play for ND fans
kelly banked on the refs not having the guts to call it. screw him
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Every offense has that play. My team call it Trips 322 slide. The 3 means quick throw, the 2's mean double slants and then the # 3 WR in the trips runs the slide. We teach the Wr's to run the slants into the inside shoulder of the defenders onto the middle of the field. This clears the flats. You run that because its hard for the #3 defender to get to the slide because he has to go around the slants which give the WR enough separation to catch the ball if the ball is delivered fast enough. Thats the general way that teams run it. My team run this all the time on the goal line especially during 7v7 competitions over the summer. Most teams play man inside the 10 yd line so its a popular play. We dont tell our WR's to start blocking the defenders inside so the defenders cant cover the slide. You have to actually run a route. ND WR's didn't attempt to run a route. If you allow this then teams will pick every play so they can get a WR free. ND executed poorly and banked on it not being called. The only time you can block a defender down the field before the ball is thrown is when its a pass thrown behind the LOS. Thats always been the rule.
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http://www.wsbt.com/sports/a-new-look-at...u/29232562
http://www.ndinsider.com/multimedia/vide...0.html?TNN
https://mtc.cdn.vine.co/r/videos/3298649...DoxxU_tdKA
No whining here.
I will go to my grave believing that the call was bogus. You will never convince me otherwise, nor me you, so no sense in trying.
It was a bad, game altering call in my mind, but **** happens.
The important takeaway from the game, to me, is that Brian Kelly has built ND back into...well, ND.
The Irish went toe to toe at FSU with the defending national champs. I think that ND can now play with, and have a great chance at beating, just about anyone in the country.
ND under Davie, Willingham and Weis would have been blown out last Saturday in Tallahassee. Those ND teams in no way resembles this one.
I think that the cries of "overrated" and "ND will get beat 43-10", while never completely silenced, are now muted.
Brian Kelly had his team ready and was in complete control on the sidelines. I was especially impressed with his demeanor and play calling on the last drive.
Golson is one hell of a player. Kelly has ND in the elite level and playoff discussion and has since the beginning of the 2012 season. If Golson was not suspended last year, do you think the Irish would have done better than 9-4? (Golson was suspended and Gunner Kiel had transferred, leaving cement shoed, noodle armed Tommy Rees as the only QB option).
While difficult, I think that ND has a shot at running the table. Games at Arizona State and Southern Cal will be tough, as will the game against Louisville at home.
Almost the entire team, including Golson (barring some other issues) will be back next season. I am having a lot of fun the past three season. I recall the dark days of DavieWillinghamWeis. I don't think ND will ever repeat those failed coachng hires again.
Brian Kelly has built a program at Notre Dame. That is not changing, even if he heads to the NFL (which I doubt) any time soon.
http://www.ndinsider.com/multimedia/vide...0.html?TNN
https://mtc.cdn.vine.co/r/videos/3298649...DoxxU_tdKA
No whining here.
I will go to my grave believing that the call was bogus. You will never convince me otherwise, nor me you, so no sense in trying.
It was a bad, game altering call in my mind, but **** happens.
The important takeaway from the game, to me, is that Brian Kelly has built ND back into...well, ND.
The Irish went toe to toe at FSU with the defending national champs. I think that ND can now play with, and have a great chance at beating, just about anyone in the country.
ND under Davie, Willingham and Weis would have been blown out last Saturday in Tallahassee. Those ND teams in no way resembles this one.
I think that the cries of "overrated" and "ND will get beat 43-10", while never completely silenced, are now muted.
Brian Kelly had his team ready and was in complete control on the sidelines. I was especially impressed with his demeanor and play calling on the last drive.
Golson is one hell of a player. Kelly has ND in the elite level and playoff discussion and has since the beginning of the 2012 season. If Golson was not suspended last year, do you think the Irish would have done better than 9-4? (Golson was suspended and Gunner Kiel had transferred, leaving cement shoed, noodle armed Tommy Rees as the only QB option).
While difficult, I think that ND has a shot at running the table. Games at Arizona State and Southern Cal will be tough, as will the game against Louisville at home.
Almost the entire team, including Golson (barring some other issues) will be back next season. I am having a lot of fun the past three season. I recall the dark days of DavieWillinghamWeis. I don't think ND will ever repeat those failed coachng hires again.
Brian Kelly has built a program at Notre Dame. That is not changing, even if he heads to the NFL (which I doubt) any time soon.
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Your receivers treated those FSU dbacks like plowsleds, it was too much.
Agree with the rest of your post.
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This 3000 times over. Refs made the right call.
geesh that replay shows it even more how bad a call it was..
i dont know people can even question it.. if #7 was all by himself and ran that route and the ball was thrown to him it would have been PI on the D. no question asked and you clearly see the Defender jump in front of him. kelly is right he ran the play as designed, jab step and slant.
and i dont know why people care what 20 did that defender was never part of the play. no different than if they were on the other side of the field. unless the guy guarding fuller switches its a TD . FSU was running a jamb at the line the WR is allowed to break free from that.. this isnt girly LAX where you have to run with your arms at your sides like in flag football.
this is like calling a foul in basketball at mid court when someone else is making a layup..
just because its ND doesnt mean its a good call.
i dont know people can even question it.. if #7 was all by himself and ran that route and the ball was thrown to him it would have been PI on the D. no question asked and you clearly see the Defender jump in front of him. kelly is right he ran the play as designed, jab step and slant.
and i dont know why people care what 20 did that defender was never part of the play. no different than if they were on the other side of the field. unless the guy guarding fuller switches its a TD . FSU was running a jamb at the line the WR is allowed to break free from that.. this isnt girly LAX where you have to run with your arms at your sides like in flag football.
this is like calling a foul in basketball at mid court when someone else is making a layup..
just because its ND doesnt mean its a good call.
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Yeah, that's how I remember it.
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Do you see #20 pushing the defender back so #88 can get to the flats? Do you not understand that you cant do that?
https://mtc.cdn.vine.co/r/videos/32...p4?versionId=RupcUgdzgOPws_QPJnqLdjDoxxU_tdKA
do you realize you can.. and what does that have to do with 88 getting to the flats. had they stood there he still gets to the flats.
again watch the play.. the defender puts his hands on the WR first, the WR then can do almost anything he wants when that happens. he clearly wanted the contact for that play, but also you can see the defender never attempts to disengage to run to the flats. had the D tried to run outside then it becomes blocking.. when its straight up contact caused by the D then its not a penalty.
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my man. wow, your right. All those referee's are wrong. I wonder why they call it a penalty? if its legal to clear a defender out to get another Wr to a spot? I know why because its a penalty that Ive seen called hundred times in my coaching career. Its not legal. What book did you get that from? when its straight up contact cause by the D its not a penalty? You can only block a defender before the ball is thrown when the ball is thrown behind the line of scrimmage. Thats the rule. Thats why screens, bubbles are often considered run plays even though there's a pass being thrown. The defender couldnt get there because he was being blocked. You have to distinguish a pass play or a run play. Its football 101. If they are blocking then its a run play if they are trying to run a route its a pass play. Its been that way since the beginning of football. Its only right that the defense has a chance to determine pass or run so they can defend the play. And it has alot to do with 88 getting to the flats. If # 20 jammed the WR backwards and knocked him into 88 it would have re routed him and disrupted the timing and the placement of the ball.
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ND is better. But FSU is not nearly as good as they were last year. Had the Orange not dropped 2 ints. vs. FSU, the game in the Dome might have been tight at the end (and with SU rolling out a pair of untested frosh QB's).
Both Mississippi teams, and both Alabama teams are better than FSU (and ND). Georgia might be better, too, and Oregon and Mich St aren't far behind.
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I agree. FSU is nothing like they were last year. They are winning games because they are gutsy and they believe they are champs until beaten. ND should have won the game. They out played FSU. If their WR's didnt block on that last play. The play was open regardless. They shouldn't have been that obvious.
