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Pittsburgh. Virginia. Louisville.

Mike Brey isn't changing his recruiting strategy because he's having trouble beating Syracuse. You don't totally change everything about your program because you can't beat Pittsburgh.

We won IN the Joyce Center last year with our worst team since pre 2010. ND wouldn't lose for 2 months afer that game and it came against an undefeated UK team in the E8 in a game ND should have won. Some team's have other team's numbers. Hasn't ND won 4 straight vs. UNC and Duke? I don't see K or Roy altering who they are recruiting just so they can beat ND. You recruit the best team you can and gameplan differently every game
 
jdubs30 said:
Mike Brey isn't changing his recruiting strategy because he's having trouble beating Syracuse. You don't totally change everything about your program because you can't beat Pittsburgh.

We won IN the Joyce Center last year with our worst team since pre 2010. ND wouldn't lose for 2 months afer that game and it came against an undefeated UK team in the E8 in a game ND should have won. Some team's have other team's numbers. Hasn't ND won 4 straight vs. UNC and Duke? I don't see K or Roy altering who they are recruiting just so they can beat ND. You recruit the best team you can and gameplan differently every game
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You just named one team.

I named three.

Three teams is a problem.

Those three teams all play the same style.

The same type of style that knocked us out of the tourney early a few years ago.
 
longislandcuse said:
You just named one team.

I named three.

Three teams is a problem.

Those three teams all play the same style.

The same type of style that knocked us out of the tourney early a few years ago.
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Are you talking about Dayton? What about the year before that when we got to the Final 4, or the year before that when we got to the Elite 8?

So what exactly do you suggest? We recruit exactly like Pitt?
 
jdubs30 said:
Are you talking about Dayton? What about the year before that when we got to the Final 4, or the year before that when we got to the Elite 8?

So what exactly do you suggest? We recruit exactly like Pitt?
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Yes. That's exactly what I'm advocating...

You CANNOT have three teams, who all play the same style, within your own conference make you their b***h. If you would've read my comments in this thread you would see that i like how we recruit and I like the zone. I loathe zone exclusivity. I loathe the simplistic sets we run on offense.

I'm suggesting an alternate defense to play, if needed, 5-10 minutes per game and some more creativity on offense. Other teams do it. It's not this impossible task.
 
longislandcuse said:
Yes. That's exactly what I'm advocating...

You CANNOT have three teams, who all play the same style, within your own conference make you their b***h. If you would've read my comments in this thread you would see that i like how we recruit and I like the zone. I loathe zone exclusivity. I loathe the simplistic sets we run on offense.

I'm suggesting an alternate defense to play, if needed, 5-10 minutes per game and some more creativity on offense. Other teams do it. It's not this impossible task.
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Oh, a part-time zone person.

If you loathe the zone exclusivity and the offense. then what is it that makes you a fan?

Are you partial to orange uniforms?
 
It comes down to not having a balanced attack, imo. We either have a dominant big and no outside scoring or vice versa. Typically, we don't have a post player who we can just dump the ball to to get buckets. Not having that safety valve kills us against solid defensive teams. It's no coincidence that the teams listed also happen to be the best defensive teams in the conference year-in and year-out.
 
Townie72 said:
Idiocy.

Get a grip.
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Yes just ignore the fact that they beat him repeatedly. When you beat some at something repeatedly it's because you're better. This isn't rocket science
 
I guess 8 for 23 from three today had nothing to do with the results.
 
We run into a buzzsaw against these teams for a myriad of a reasons...

Guard play, guard play, guard play. With the way Boeheim likes to play offense you better have consistent drivers and penetrators on offense. We don't have any. PG play is subpar. I mean when is the last time G drove and dished to someone for a layup or dunk? The Roberson dunk at Duke? Cooney doesn't drive and is a poor passer and finisher. Mal and Howard do it occasionally. We don't really have the personnel to play like a typical Villanova or Creighton team and succeed VS good defensive teams. We shoud be able to overcome it but once G is doubled or they hard hedge it's over...or the shot clock runs down and we force a bad shot. Rak on this team also would make a HUGE difference.

The zone is a liability against good fundamental teams who rebound. That's just a fact now. Less athletic yet teams with good passing and good coaches can get it going even when facing big deficits. We don't dictate any sort of tempo.

Lastly, Pitt, UVA or UL's style D or their supposed clutching/grabbing is a fallacy. I just don't see it. A play here or there ok and occasionally we'll get thrown out of the way in a rebounding scenario, but, why is it only us who can't solve them? Nobody complains about them in the media and I have never heard a coach (JB included) complain. It's so asinine to even think this. I mean we can't get ANYTHING going offensively consistently against these teams even with NBA players. I don't get it. Most of these games we aren't even getting lit up. Pitt gave us so many chances today with their empty possessions and turnovers yet we were stuck at both 40 and 45 points WAY late in the game for what seemed like an eternity. Ugh, so frustrating. We make them look like a vaunted Georgetown D or something. I'm going to drink now.
 
longislandcuse said:
Is this a serious question?

I don't root for teams based on their playing style.
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Why do you root for them then?

I mean if their playing style and coach don't suit you likes, just switch your allegiances.

Find another team you can complain about less.
 
realorange said:
I guess 8 for 23 from three today had nothing to do with the results.
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That fact doesn't play well into the narrative that our regular crew of after-the-loss whiners, complainers, Boeheim-haters and assorted self-styled basketball experts like to trot out.

I've gota T-shirt suggestion for these guys.

It should read: I'm an SU fan (except when they lose and that I gleefully trash the program, the coaching staff, the defensive and offensive strategy,the recruiting strategy and the Dome)

I'm entitled to a winner and when I don't get what I want, I lash out.

Kind of long for a T-shirt, I know. But I think it captures the essence.
 
realorange said:
I guess 8 for 23 from three today had nothing to do with the results.
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Today. Ok.

I just named 3 programs who we play 1-3 times per year and all own us.

One bad day of shooting doesnt explain that.
 
Townie72 said:
That fact doesn't play well into the narrative that our regular crew of after-the-loss whiners, complainers, Boeheim-haters and assorted self-styled basketball experts like to trot out.

I've gota T-shirt suggestion for these guys.

It should read: I'm an SU fan (except when they lose and that I gleefully trash the program, the coaching staff, the defensive and offensive strategy,the recruiting strategy and the Dome)

I'm entitled to a winner and when I don't get what I want, I lash out.

Kind of long for a T-shirt, I know. But I think it captures the essence.
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Be extremely happy you root for Syracuse and not an SEC football team or one of the other CBB powerhouses. If you can't handle fans criticizing their teams strategies here, you wouldn't last 5 seconds anywhere else. This is tame and honestly, deserved criticism. We struggle with 3 teams in our conference going on multiple years now and we struggle with that same type of play outside of conference, at some point you would think we might address that, no? I mean if you were in a management position and your strategies and concepts caused your staff to always underproduce during the 1st quarter would you not be expected to have higher ups wonder why you always underproduce in the 1st quarter and ask of you to make changes to counter that?
 
Townie72 said:
That fact doesn't play well into the narrative that our regular crew of after-the-loss whiners, complainers, Boeheim-haters and assorted self-styled basketball experts like to trot out.

I've gota T-shirt suggestion for these guys.

It should read: I'm an SU fan (except when they lose and that I gleefully trash the program, the coaching staff, the defensive and offensive strategy,the recruiting strategy and the Dome)

I'm entitled to a winner and when I don't get what I want, I lash out.

Kind of long for a T-shirt, I know. But I think it captures the essence.
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You forgot the players. They also get trashed. Oh, and the whiners also whine after victories, if they are not accomplished in an aesthetically pleasing manner or are not dominating enough for their tastes. Remember, it's all about championships and JB is batting .025 for his career.
 
br801 said:
You forgot the players. They also get trashed. Oh, and the whiners also whine after victories, if they are not accomplished in an aesthetically pleasing manner or are not dominating enough for their tastes. Remember, it's all about championships and JB is batting .025 for his career.
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I guess I'm one of these evil fans to you and Townie. But, I never "bash" players. I was very concerned during the stupid 25-0 run when we were winning, barely winning scoring in the 50s against bad teams. Our offense just grinded to a hault and this with some NBA players, mind you. I was scolded because we were still winning (and a W is NOT just a W) even though it was foreshadowing problems down the road. I picked Dayton to beat us and did not think we could handle TJ Warren and Cat Barber in the ACC Tourney prior to. Well, sometimes you have to pull off orange blinders, look at what is happening, and question intelligently which is what the majority of our maligned fans do on here, IMO. We all love the team and program as much as the ones scolding us.
 
SoBeCuse said:
I guess I'm one of these evil fans to you and Townie. But, I never "bash" players. I was very concerned during the stupid 25-0 run when we were winning, barely winning scoring in the 50s against bad teams. Our offense just grinded to a hault and this with some NBA players, mind you. I was scolded because we were still winning (and a W is NOT just a W) even though it was foreshadowing problems down the road. I picked Dayton to beat us and did not think we could handle TJ Warren and Cat Barber in the ACC Tourney prior to. Well, sometimes you have to pull off orange blinders, look at what is happening, and question intelligently which is what the majority of our maligned fans do on here, IMO. We all love the team and program as much as the ones scolding us.
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I'm not calling you or anyone else out. I'm just making an observation about what I see. There is no "right" or "wrong" way to be a fan, of course, although some approaches hardly seem worth the trouble. But that's just my opinion.
 
longislandcuse said:
Be extremely happy you root for Syracuse and not an SEC football team or one of the other CBB powerhouses. If you can't handle fans criticizing their teams strategies here, you wouldn't last 5 seconds anywhere else. This is tame and honestly, deserved criticism. We struggle with 3 teams in our conference going on multiple years now and we struggle with that same type of play outside of conference, at some point you would think we might address that, no? I mean if you were in a management position and your strategies and concepts caused your staff to always underproduce during the 1st quarter would you not be expected to have higher ups wonder why you always underproduce in the 1st quarter and ask of you to make changes to counter that?
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"Always underproduce"? "Always underproduce"?

You cherry-pick a few situations and teams and use this as proof of "always underproducing".

You say the criticism is "deserved". I say it is not. That's a matter of opinion.

And on your business analogy. If I had a company or worked for a company or ran a company that had been as successful as SU basketball has been over the past 40 years, I wouldn't be nit-picking a glitch in 1Q orders.

To you it's deserved criticism that you as a fan are entitled to give. To me --- and I suspect others --- its just whining.
 
Townie72 said:
"Always underproduce"? "Always underproduce"?

You cherry-pick a few situations and teams and use this as proof of "always underproducing".

You say the criticism is "deserved". I say it is not. That's a matter of opinion.

And on your business analogy. If I had a company or worked for a company or ran a company that had been as successful as SU basketball has been over the past 40 years, I wouldn't be nit-picking a glitch in 1Q orders.

To you it's deserved criticism that you as a fan are entitled to give. To me --- and I suspect others --- its just whining.
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Cherry picking three teams in your own conference that own you on the reg along with that style of play out of conference is more like apple picking. It's a big deal.

Whining would be me complaining if we lose again to UNC. That is understandable. Losing to every team that plays one style, regularly, is not. It's pointing out a serious flaw in our program.

Agree to disagree.
 
anglerman said:
Yes just ignore the fact that they beat him repeatedly. When you beat some at something repeatedly it's because you're better. This isn't rocket science
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And yet, Jaime Dixon consistently loses to west Virginia and Notre dame, two teams that Jb beats. So, JB is better than Huggins who is better than Dixon who is better that JB? Yeah, that makes sense. When dixon gets to a final four, then maybe you can make a moronic statement like that. Pitino is a better coach than JB. Let's see how he does when he has a ship reduction. Won't be able to press the way he likes. And with bennett, it's too early to call that. They have had 3 home games of the 4 they have played against us. And these have been their best teams. I guess Jb is better than Izzo. I think he is 4 of 5 against him. I guess jb is better than Knight. I think he was 4 of 5 against him. We can play that game all day long.
 
longislandcuse said:
Cherry picking three teams in your own conference that own you on the reg along with that style of play out of conference is more like apple picking. It's a big deal.

Whining would be me complaining if we lose again to UNC. That is understandable. Losing to every team that plays one style, regularly, is not. It's pointing out a serious flaw in our program.

Agree to disagree.
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How is it 3 teams? Virginia has had their best teams in years. and thye have played 3 of 4 home games against us. Let's see how this plays out over the long term. we have beat UConn 8 of the last 10 games. What does that prove?
 
We are 4-3 in the last 7 against Louisville FWIW.

I do think we need to do something differently against Pitt.

Every game for the past 15 years has followed the same script, it's just the cast of characters who change.
 
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