Player Development under Red

[EnviroSciGuy]

Man, remember all the yapping about not paying $800k for Jesse and that it was unconscionable to pay that for the first or second best player on the team and then giving that same amount to Lampkin a year later who also pulled the same stunts?

Great point, and very frustrating. Paying for Jesse probably makes us a tourney team last year. It would have helped raise our post-JB profile and likely earned Red enough goodwill to survive some (yet to be seen) level of disaster in Year 2. Maybe even some extra funding. Who knows, now.

 

[Sbucketball]

Man, remember all the yapping about not paying $800k for Jesse and that it was unconscionable to pay that for the first or second best player on the team and then giving that same amount to Lampkin a year later who also pulled the same stunts?

I'm still sour about that. I was adamant at the time we should pay Jesse, and it would have been more like 650k if I remember correctly - close to WVU but didn't need to match. And that was met with people saying he's not worth it (wrong), no one makes that money and NIL is inflated and people make a fraction of what's said (wrong), his dad is evil (wrong), you can't have disparity between what guys make in NIL (wrong). Makes it worse we gave Lampkin 800 the following year on a renegotiation.

Crazy thing is that was probably a death sentence for Red. He probably would have made the tournament if you boot Justin Taylor from the lineup and insert Jesse: Judah, JJ, Bell, Maliq, Jesse. Not world beaters but good enough for him to meet the magical tournament threshold that would have bought him more time. Now 2 years in a row with no tournament and TBD how long they give him.

 

[kingtidge]

I'm still sour about that. I was adamant at the time we should pay Jesse, and it would have been more like 650k if I remember correctly - close to WVU but didn't need to match. And that was met with people saying he's not worth it (wrong), no one makes that money and NIL is inflated and people make a fraction of what's said (wrong), his dad is evil (wrong), you can't have disparity between what guys make in NIL (wrong). Makes it worse we gave Lampkin 800 the following year on a renegotiation.

Crazy thing is that was probably a death sentence for Red. He probably would have made the tournament if you boot Justin Taylor from the lineup and insert Jesse: Judah, JJ, Bell, Maliq, Jesse. Not world beaters but good enough for him to meet the magical tournament threshold that would have bought him more time. Now 2 years in a row with no tournament and TBD how long they give him.

The kicker was when that WV collective guy came out and said the amounts being reported that Jesse was getting weren't close to accurate and they hadn't even solidified it and it would be hashed out in the future.

He and his Dad left for ???

Something about how it all went down still doesn't add up.

 

[FloridaCuse]

I believe JW consulting with Melo is a must and an excellent idea. Melo knows who is out there and may know someone we don't who would be a great fit.

Last night I looked at the list of coaches put up in another thread. I saw that most were assistants with no real experience as a HC.

It looked to me like schools hire coaches to improve on the previous coaches really bad records - year one try and correct the bad record 10-20, year two was improved 20 -10, year three if not 25 - 15 the coach was gone.

Again, talking to Melo is a must.

I would guess that if Melo thinks there needs to be a change he would directly or indirectly tell J.W. It's reported in the Kiyan thread that Kiyan will be attending the Wake Forest game next week. I think it's likely Melo will be with him. If Melo doesn't think Autry is the right person to coach his son the odds increase of there being a change. If not, Kiyan may go elsewhere. At this point I think it may be an open question whether Freeman and Moore will stay next year. I've wondered whether Brown left because, at least in part, there is a coaching problem.

 

[Brooky03]

There are people campaigning for Red to get a third year. Yeah, we'd have another win or two if JJ was healthy. However, injuries are part of the game. The lack of game planning and in-game coaching has been glaring during JJ's absence (and prior). Most troubling is the team is going in the wrong direction. Players are not improving. Moore is very undisciplined. He has careless turnovers and a poor shot selection. Freeman is oozing with talent, but has no concept of help side defense and isn't very physical. I highlight Moore and Freeman because we should start seeing basic improvements in fundamental areas like shot selection or help side defense by now if they're getting coach properly.

Shouldn't the lack of player development be the biggest red flag to date? I don't know how we recruit anyone that has pro aspirations if they watch this team. More NIL money only gives us comfortable wins vs low DI teams. We'll continue to get outcoached in all other areas. Please tell me I'm wrong.

Player development happens in the offseason. There’s not much to be done in-season. Fine tuning stuff is really all you could do.

Player development happens over the course of years. Red is in year two. Objectively, we have no idea if he can develop players.

 

[OrangePA]

Player development has been my biggest issue over the last 10 years

In the more than 50 years I have been watching SU Basketball I have never seen a player develop as well as Jesse Edwards developed during his time on the Hill.

 

[OrangePA]

He spent a few weeks with the Dutch national team. The vast majority of his time was spent at Syracuse working with our coaches, and he improved dramatically. All this losing has broken everyone’s brains. The idea that our coaches are bad at developing players’ individual skills is all based on vibes, and the vibes are bad. Our failures are due to bad roster construction and lack of NIL, poor portal player evaluation, not having a cohesive offensive and defensive identity (and/or not being able to teach it), and lack of creativity and execution on offense.

The development of Jesse Edwards was remarkable in my opinion.

 

[baggerbob]

Player development happens in the offseason. There’s not much to be done in-season. Fine tuning stuff is really all you could do.

Player development happens over the course of years. Red is in year two. Objectively, we have no idea if he can develop players.

Where is the change in Bell after 2 years?

 

[wiCuse]

Player development happens in the offseason. There’s not much to be done in-season. Fine tuning stuff is really all you could do.

Player development happens over the course of years. Red is in year two. Objectively, we have no idea if he can develop players.

I couldn't disagree more. Player development is always happening. Yeah, you're not messing with someone's shot much in-season. Defensive rotations and shot selection can occur anytime. Heck, why watch film according to your notion. Have you ever arrived at a game early? Player development is always taking place.

 

[AZOrange]

In the more than 50 years I have been watching SU Basketball I have never seen a player develop as well as Jesse Edwards developed during his time on the Hill.

Yeah but that’s one guy in a decade. And I’m not sure he’s more than guys like warrick, Grant, rautins and some others. But 1 guy in 10 years,..

 

[RF2044]

Yeah but that’s one guy in a decade. And I’m not sure he’s more than guys like warrick, Grant, rautins and some others. But 1 guy in 10 years,..

That's where I'm at, as well.

Course there are examples, but not consistently, and they have been few and far between.

 

[Brooky03]

I couldn't disagree more. Player development is always happening. Yeah, you're not messing with someone's shot much in-season. Defensive rotations and shot selection can occur anytime. Heck, why watch film according to your notion. Have you ever arrived at a game early? Player development is always taking place.

Eh, I guess it depends on which hairs we’re splitting. A player could go from a 6/10 to a 7/10 during the season, sure. I’d put that in the ‘fine turning’ category.

More importantly, those improvements won’t be something a fanbase will pick up on.

 

[kingtidge]

In the more than 50 years I have been watching SU Basketball I have never seen a player develop as well as Jesse Edwards developed during his time on the Hill.

Onuaku's development was more impressive as big men go...

 

[sweetpea]

Onuaku's development was more impressive as big men go...

Rony and Hakim developed quite well.

 

[Cappy3]

Onuaku's development was more impressive as big men go...

Rony Seikaly went from an athlete with no real basketball skills to a lengthy NBA career. Easily the most impressive big man development here.

 

[sufandu]

Rony Seikaly went from an athlete with no real basketball skills to a lengthy NBA career. Easily the most impressive big man development here.

Yeah. I would think Rony significantly surpasses Edwards.

 

[mikemorg]

Etan’s development was pretty amazing too. Watching him as a freshman, never would have said he’d be the 12th pick in the draft.

 

[sufandu]

Etan’s development was pretty amazing too. Watching him as a freshman, never would have said he’d be the 12th pick in the draft.

Yeah. He went from a foul machine to a defensive POY and no offensive game to a serviceable one.