Podcast from Georgia perspective, breaking down Fran Brown -- Mike McCallister

[OrangeFoo]

Do fans of every school worry about a new coach leaving in 3/4 years before he has even officially started the job? The defeatism of Syracuse fans is amazing... I miss Igor

 

[OrangePA]

Well Dino learned the same lesson. 4 years too late.

That's probably not entirely accurate.

His Baylor/Briles offense was a gimmick offense that worked with Dungey.

He won 10 games and a bowl game with it.

 

[tep624]

Bad take. He just didn't recruit well enough at the skill positions. We were a QB and a couple good WRs from being really effective.

He had the formula in 2018 for being successful here and then deviated from it by recruiting a pro style QB that required a strong OL to be successful at a school that recruiting strong OL's is very difficult to do. And that led to a 5-7 season and then the god awful Covid year which basically broke his back. He never was the same coach after that year.

 

[SanDiegoCuse]

Hopefully Fran and his family fall in love with Syracuse and are here twenty years leading our transition into the B10.

 

[JrodCuse]

Gergs offense was never going to work
I am very curious who the OC is. If he's any good, he'll leave, but so will Brown

I love how it’s just an absolute 100% assumption if brown does well he’s gone. I wouldn’t put it at a 100% absolute at all.

 

[DocFlanders]

sometimes guys appreciate their shot, and if he kills it and we reward him handsomely for it, it works out for both parties.

Nothing to worry about now though...

 

[Scotch]

True.

When Jake C hired Coach Mac, he did it because MacPherson's UMass teams ran a pro-style offense - they threw the ball.

Jake wanted to bring a passing offense to the Dome.

After four years, Coach Mac figured out that he was never going to get the kind of personnel needed to run a pro-style offense.

He brought George DeLeone to Syracuse for the purpose of installing an option offense. An offense similar to the option offense that Coach Maloney ran.

That is the lesson of this program.

I suspect that we will probably never have the personnel needed to run a traditional pass-oriented offense.

I suspect that we will probably need to run a gimmick offense - like the "freeze option" or the Wildcat offense that worked pretty well this season.

I agree with this. We're never going to out talent the big boys running the same stuff as them, so let's get weird.

 

[Scotch]

Quick summary of some key details:

• Brown [from the Georgia perspective] was a rising star
• His agent only reps head coaches, but represented Brown because he is recognized as being so high potential
• He is an ace recruiter -- would succeed no matter where he is, no matter what the level
• He prefers playing a 4-2-5 defense

The point about super agent Jimmy Sexton was revealing. He doesn't have time to rep position coaches that aren't superstars. He bought Fran stock early, which is telling.

 

[qdawgg]

Hopefully Fran and his family fall in love with Syracuse and are here twenty years leading our transition into the B10.

I think we’d need more than hope for that to happen. DB was here 8 yrs and even that’s getting to be a “Unicorn sighting” territory.

 

[Millhouse]

True.

When Jake C hired Coach Mac, he did it because MacPherson's UMass teams ran a pro-style offense - they threw the ball.

Jake wanted to bring a passing offense to the Dome.

After four years, Coach Mac figured out that he was never going to get the kind of personnel needed to run a pro-style offense.

He brought George DeLeone to Syracuse for the purpose of installing an option offense. An offense similar to the option offense that Coach Maloney ran.

That is the lesson of this program.

I suspect that we will probably never have the personnel needed to run a traditional pass-oriented offense.

I suspect that we will probably need to run a gimmick offense - like the "freeze option" or the Wildcat offense that worked pretty well this season.

pass oriented and pro style aren't synonyms to me

Gergs wanted to do the West Coast offense which is so hard to get down for professionals much less college players with limited practice

Most college pass oriented offenses are so easy in comparison.

Wide OL splits make it hard to double team the 6* defensive tackle that can kill your 600 million dollar QB so they don't want that

NFL teams think it's too simple which is why I think college teams should do it

I don't know much about what Mac wanted to do as the start, hair before my time

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Do fans of every school worry about a new coach leaving in 3/4 years before he has even officially started the job? The defeatism of Syracuse fans is amazing... I miss Igor

If Brown has half the success we think and doesn't get Wildhacked, he'll pass on 4 of the next 5 jobs he's offered in the ESPN app streaming era.

- Igor

 

[zjscuse]

Bad take. He just didn't recruit well enough at the skill positions. We were a QB and a couple good WRs from being really effective.

I mean id say more of good offensive lineman. Schrader is a good qb just destroyed his body from being killed on the field.

 

[two3zone]

I love this, but hate I use it in every day conversation as much as I do.

 

[Scooch]

It’s 3/4 years always and JW knew that

It’s either 3/4 years and we are VERY successful and winning and will have a higher flow of $$$

Or its 3/4 years we’re not successful and brown will be fired and we will try the process again

Perfect, that's precisely the attitude we should have.

Fail fast is a great approach, IMHO. We'll know in year 3 if it's working. Data suggests that's the critically determinative year.

 

[OrangePA]

pass oriented and pro style aren't synonyms to me

Gergs wanted to do the West Coast offense which is so hard to get down for professionals much less college players with limited practice

Most college pass oriented offenses are so easy in comparison.

Wide OL splits make it hard to double team the 6* defensive tackle that can kill your 600 million dollar QB so they don't want that

NFL teams think it's too simple which is why I think college teams should do it

I don't know much about what Mac wanted to do as the start, hair before my time

Marrone threw the ball in 2012.

He used tempo and had a very smart QB.

 

[Chip]

Marrone threw the ball in 2012.

He used tempo and had a very smart QB.

That offense had a lot of good things, not just QB. One of the better OLs we've ever had.

We threw a lot, but we also ran for a lot. Especially in the snowy bowl game.

 

[OrangePA]

That offense had a lot of good things, not just QB. One of the better OLs we've ever had.

We threw a lot, but we also ran for a lot. Especially in the snowy bowl game.

The OL play is why I wanted Marrone to return for a second stint.