Police Chief statement on 2002 investigation

[rrlbees]

2002

 

[orangenauburn]

solid statement -- puts ESPN and PS on the spot for not providing the tape

 

[longtimefan]

2002

CYA.

 

[Noexcuse]

Several weeks later, Ms. Roach contacted that detective and told him that Bernie Fine had sexually abused her friend. Ms. Roach was asked to have the victim contact Syracuse Police directly. Approximately a month later, Det. Fox took a call from the victim who told the detective he was calling from Utah. In a brief phone conversation, he stated that Bernie Fine had sexually abused him while growing up and the abuse had occurred while he stayed at the Fine residence.

Didn't Roach say she didn't mention BF by name but the detective intimated he knew who she was talking about?

 

[44PRIDE]

Money Quote:
Ms. Roach informed us that the Syracuse Post Standard and ESPN were both in possession of a copy of that evidence and had been in possession of the evidence since 2003. At no time in the last eight years did the Post Standard or ESPN notify Syracuse Police that they were in possession of that evidence.

 

[orangenauburn]

nah i think she mentioned BF but Davis never did

 

[AZOrange]

2002

Cuse leads the league in well done statements...

 

[AZOrange]

Several weeks later, Ms. Roach contacted that detective and told him that Bernie Fine had sexually abused her friend. Ms. Roach was asked to have the victim contact Syracuse Police directly. Approximately a month later, Det. Fox took a call from the victim who told the detective he was calling from Utah. In a brief phone conversation, he stated that Bernie Fine had sexually abused him while growing up and the abuse had occurred while he stayed at the Fine residence.

Didn't Roach say she didn't mention BF by name but the detective intimated he knew who she was talking about?

yes, i noticed that too.

 

[Fjoinkay]

The tape sitting around all those years without the police being notified is a problem... A problem for anyone who knew about the tape or had a copy of it. I would love to see the focus shift to the media on this issue.

Obviously, my biggest concern about the tape is whether SU or JB knew about it. The tape at this point is for the trial of public opinion and most likely nothing else as I doubt it would ever be admitted in Court.

 

[orangenauburn]

i think ESPN and PS have stated the University was not aware of the tape until recently

 

[armory]

Hey look! A statement containing detailed facts, timelines, and logic! Has this story finally turned the corner?

 

[Toga]

So - Duval was aware and is not talking. Please let it be that he did not advise anyone at the University.

 

[arbitragegls]

...that is correct...Syracuse Univ was not aware of tape...as per Davis, Roach, ESPN, Post Std, and the legal firm that conducted 'Cuse investigation.

Tell me this...why did ESPN and Post Std sit on this evidence...this seems immoral and allowed ped to continue for nearly 10 more years...

 

[Noexcuse]

So - Duval was aware and is not talking. Please let it be that he did not advise anyone at the University.

Well he wasn't Chief when SU conducted their investigation. But I suppose they may have contacted him to see if he had any information from the 2002 report.

 

[djcon57]

So - Duval was aware and is not talking. Please let it be that he did not advise anyone at the University.

Even if he did...all the evidence he had was some girl called and some guy called from Utah.. There was no tape. It was out of SOL. They never met face to face. Not to mention, the abuse claim is about a public figure which I'm sure all PDs proceed with caution due to wackos. I'm not sure what the SPD was expected to do.

 

[dollarbill44]

“The first time the Syracuse Police Department learned of Syracuse University’s internal investigation was when the University presented the Syracuse Police Department with a copy of its report on November 17, 2011."

Does anyone else find it odd that SU's lawyers didn't contact SPD about this?

 

[PeteCalvin]

“The first time the Syracuse Police Department learned of Syracuse University’s internal investigation was when the University presented the Syracuse Police Department with a copy of its report on November 17, 2011."

Does anyone else find it odd that SU's lawyers didn't contact SPD about this?

Why would they? It's already been stated that Davis went from the SPD to the media after the police told him about the SOL. When the media didn't do anything, he went and tried the University. He probably already told them that the SPD did not investigate. And then he doesn't give the University all the "evidence" that he had to offer (i.e. the tape). I bet if he had given that tape to the University back then that we wouldn't be talking about this right now. Bernie would have been gone a long time ago. No way Cantor would have ignored that. Not a chance. SU had less to go on than the press, so it's no wonder their investigation didn't amount to much either. ESPN and The Post Std had the smoking gun and did nothing with it. There should have been a call to the SPD to swap information, at the very least.

Bottom line: The two key entities that could have done something with that tape never got it. He gave it to the wrong people.

 

[TheRoyalIveyFund]

“The first time the Syracuse Police Department learned of Syracuse University’s internal investigation was when the University presented the Syracuse Police Department with a copy of its report on November 17, 2011."

Does anyone else find it odd that SU's lawyers didn't contact SPD about this?

No, not at all. Why would or should they? The guy came to them and said "the police don't want to investigate". So, why would they then go to the police. Then, after 4 months, if they found nothing of substance, again, why would they? BF was their employee and if the BSK found nothing, it's not a police matter.

 

[SU2NASA]

I really want to know if ESPN is any different from Joe Paterno by having evidence that the sexual abuse of children had happened and did not report it to the police?

 

[TheRoyalIveyFund]

I really want to know if ESPN is any different from Joe Paterno by having evidence that the sexual abuse of children had happened and did not report it to the police?

Two things.

Is this tape evidence of something with kids? That is extremely gray and a major oversight in the national news. Every single person referencing this story has to stop with saying "a tape confirming sexual abuse of kids", "his wife knew of abuse of kids", etc. What is clear is she knew he was a gay man, who liked to touch guys, not if they were younger than 18. Maybe, must maybe not, enough where both scenarios should be laid out.

IMO, this tape is now driving the story (three drudge links yesterday, CNN, all the major basic stations) but they are all assuming the focal point is him being abused as a kid when in reality, I'm at least 50% sure it's them talking about them being gay consenting adults in some weird triangle.

That said, since it's unknown if she is referring to -18 or not, then IMO, they are just as immoral as McQueary or JP by sitting on it. If they truly believed in it, then they are admitting they sat on evidence of a pedophile possibly hurting others.

 

[SU2NASA]

Two things.

Is this tape evidence of something with kids? That is extremely gray and a major oversight in the national news. Every single person referencing this story has to stop with saying "a tape confirming sexual abuse of kids", "his wife knew of abuse of kids", etc. What is clear is she knew he was a gay man, who liked to touch guys, not if they were younger than 18. Maybe, must maybe not, enough where both scenarios should be laid out.

IMO, this tape is now driving the story (three drudge links yesterday, CNN, all the major basic stations) but they are all assuming the focal point is him being abused as a kid when in reality, I'm at least 50% sure it's them talking about them being gay consenting adults in some weird triangle.

That said, since it's unknown if she is referring to -18 or not, then IMO, they are just as immoral as McQueary or JP by sitting on it. If they truly believed in it, then they are admitting they sat on evidence of a pedophile possibly hurting others.

I am not claiming the tape confirms anything, but that it's evidence, and Laurie does say in the tape concerning when he was younger that she wished she would have stopped it or something to that effect.

The tape wasn't provided in a vacuum though, Davis alleged he was molested as a child and provided the tape as evidence to support his allegation. In my opinion that's clear cut to report to the police that children may have been (or are since Laurie also says that she believes there are others) molested.

In complete agreement on your last point.

 

[AZOrange]

“The first time the Syracuse Police Department learned of Syracuse University’s internal investigation was when the University presented the Syracuse Police Department with a copy of its report on November 17, 2011."

Does anyone else find it odd that SU's lawyers didn't contact SPD about this?

Yes and no. I find it odd that 2 news organizations, SU, and SPD had all done investigations on the matter at various times and none of the 4 seemed to know that any of the others had done so. Syracuse is a small town. Hard to believe.

 

[TheRoyalIveyFund]

I am not claiming the tape confirms anything, but that it's evidence, and Laurie does say in the tape concerning when he was younger that she wished she would have stopped it or something to that effect.

The tape wasn't provided in a vacuum though, Davis alleged he was molested as a child and provided the tape as evidence to support his allegation. In my opinion that's clear cut to report to the police that children may have been (or are since Laurie also says that she believes there are others) molested.

In complete agreement on your last point.

I'm directly referring to the National outlets from the sentence from before, not you NASA. You made a clear concise point/question, I'm just throwing that in there since it's a major part of the story where the MSM has essentially conceded they are referring to kids. To your question, I think we're on the same page because if ESPN believed it and was just waiting on one other guy, then they are admitting they sat on info that could have saved kids from being hurt.

 

[dollarbill44]

No, not at all. Why would or should they? The guy came to them and said "the police don't want to investigate". So, why would they then go to the police. Then, after 4 months, if they found nothing of substance, again, why would they? BF was their employee and if the BSK found nothing, it's not a police matter.

No, not at all. Why would or should they? The guy came to them and said "the police don't want to investigate". So, why would they then go to the police. Then, after 4 months, if they found nothing of substance, again, why would they? BF was their employee and if the BSK found nothing, it's not a police matter.

Because I wouldn't want to leave any stone unturned, no matter how small, if I'm really trying to discover the truth and be certain I have ensured that my client wouldn't be facing any questions in the future about how they handled the issue. I would be inclined to ask a couple of questions about the case, what they knew and what was their response, rather than taking the word of an accuser whose validity you are investigating to begin with. I don't know, it just seems like it wouldn't be a problem to go to SPD if there wasn't any problem to begin with and if there was a problem, well, wasn't that the point of the investigation?

 

[AZOrange]

Because I wouldn't want to leave any stone unturned, no matter how small, if I'm really trying to discover the truth and be certain I have ensured that my client wouldn't be facing any questions in the future about how they handled the issue. I would be inclined to ask a couple of questions about the case, what they knew and what was their response, rather than taking the word of an accuser whose validity you are investigating to begin with. I don't know, it just seems like it wouldn't be a problem to go to SPD if there wasn't any problem to begin with and if there was a problem, well, wasn't that the point of the investigation?

Can you imagine the conversation?

SU: Hi, we just wanted to let you know that we looked into allegations re Bernie Fine.
SPD: Oh...did you find anything?
SU: No he came back clean.
SPD: Oh thats good. Did you interview everyone they told you about?
SU: No! We did about half.
SPD: Well that is half more than we did! Thanks for nothing!