POLL: What Old BE Team Should Join The ACC?

[TexanMark]

So the league sits at 14.75 teams. I don't think anything happens for 5 years or so...and I'm not sure any BE team besides ND will ever go full in. So many different scenarios. Do nothing, Go to 15 + ND, Go full 16, Go 20 or...
I just wonder if ESPN helps the SEC and ACC in working out a grand alliance. 32 to 40 teams under Team ESPN?

It is nice to have UConn for close travel but they are showing me they are a mess and maybe not worth it.

 

[Hokie Mark]

Why wasn't WVU an option?

 

[Scooch]

None. ND will never drop their independence, and no former BE team brings enough to the table to warrant adding another mouth to feed.

 

[TexanMark]

Poll only allowed me to do 4 responses...if you want to keep the status quo, just post it.

 

[TexanMark]

Why wasn't WVU an option?

They made their bed in the Big 12...feel free to write them in.

 

[TexanMark]

None. ND will never drop their independence, and no former BE team brings enough to the table to warrant adding another mouth to feed.

I think we have a winner here. I think the only way an old BE team comes in is if ND agrees to go Full Member.

 

[Alsacs]

Republicans and Democrats will get along in Washington DC before Notre Dame will give up their independence. I hate having ND graduates in my family it’s cultish.
No expansion as if the ACC network takes off their will be no need for any more mouths.

 

[sdhall01]

West Virginia. They don’t add a lot academically, but I think they would further improve football and potentially increase the competition in basketball.

 

[Trueblue25]

Id give anything for an annual crack at WVU.

Of this list thiugh, CINCY. Let them eat at the big tens recruitment territory and challenge louisville.

Cincy has a boatload of potential they’ve had trouble realizing.

 

[TexanMark]

I voted ND and Cincy...to go to 16. I'd like to set up two 8 team divisions. Going to have to go to 9 games conference schedule.

 

[ForCuseSake]

Republicans and Democrats will get along in Washington DC before Notre Dame will give up their independence. I hate having ND graduates in my family it’s cultish.
No expansion as if the ACC network takes off their will be no need for any more mouths.

I have a neighbor who graduated from ND. Anyone who meets her finds out in less than 2 minutes that she graduated from ND. She's 45 years old - it's not an accomplishment from last May.

Take Andy Bernard's Cornell pride and multiply it by infinity and that's her.

I've had similar experiences with other ND alums, although not nearly as bad as her. Cultish is accurate.

And ND or nobody. They ain't joining so i hope the ACC stands pat.

 

[Scooch]

I voted ND and Cincy...to go to 16. I'd like to set up two 8 team divisions. Going to have to go to 9 games conference schedule.

I can't see any scenario where ND joins a conference. I agree that the ACC will need to go to a 9 game conference schedule. But I suspect that will simply involve playing an extra cross-division game.

The economics aren't there to add any non-ND teams that aren't already in a P5 conference (e.g. Texas).

 

[Alsacs]

I have a neighbor who graduated from ND. Anyone who meets her finds out in less than 2 minutes that she graduated from ND. She's 45 years old - it's not an accomplishment from last May.

Take Andy Bernard's Cornell pride and multiply it by infinity and that's her.

I've had similar experiences with other ND alums, although not nearly as bad as her. Cultish is accurate.

And ND or nobody. They ain't joining so i hope the ACC stands pat.

My Harvard undergrad, Yale law school grad cousin is quiet.
My Uncle and cousins who are ND grads are exactly what you said Andy Bernard clones about ND.

It’s so annoying and part of the reason I hate ND.

 

[Trueblue25]

I voted ND and Cincy...to go to 16. I'd like to set up two 8 team divisions. Going to have to go to 9 games conference schedule.

Did you ever make it to Cincy to tailgate during our Big East days? I’d have to imagine that’d be a fun city to tailgate in, albeit maybe congested.

 

[cuse10]

Why wasn't WVU an option?

Awful academics. The ACC has a really good collective of schools from Boston College down to Miami.

 

[Orangepace]

None. ND will never drop their independence, and no former BE team brings enough to the table to warrant adding another mouth to feed.

I don't entirely agree. Last I saw, ND's contract with NBC paid around $15M/year for football rights and runs through 2025. (NBC extends ND football deal through 2025)

Last season, Syracuse net $25.3M for TV rights from the ACC and ND received $5.8M. (ACC revenue up 12 percent, but member shares lag behind peers)

That means Syracuse share of TV rights revenue for football was around $19.5M. Obviously that exceed ND's take independently. Add to that the fact that the ACC's TV rights revenue per team is 4th overall of the P5 and it's likely that number will be increasing with the ACC Network. At some point, it makes fiscal sense for ND to join a conference. At the end of the day, I think that money will talk. It may not come until 2025, unless there is some bargain buy-out option from ND's side.

I don't think any of those other teams adds incremental value to the ACC right now. I prefer the ACC wait on ND and offer them the option to choose who #16 is.

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

Status Quo.

 

[PhatOrange]

West Virginia and I'd try to poach Pedo State or Kentucky.

 

[SURules]

ND is the only school on that list that would make sense. If ND were to join, the dream would be to add PSU but that will never happen. Next up would be WVU. No other school on the list is worth it.

 

[Scooch]

I don't entirely agree. Last I saw, ND's contract with NBC paid around $15M/year for football rights and runs through 2025. (NBC extends ND football deal through 2025)

Last season, Syracuse net $25.3M for TV rights from the ACC and ND received $5.8M. (ACC revenue up 12 percent, but member shares lag behind peers)

That means Syracuse share of TV rights revenue for football was around $19.5M. Obviously that exceed ND's take independently. Add to that the fact that the ACC's TV rights revenue per team is 4th overall of the P5 and it's likely that number will be increasing with the ACC Network. At some point, it makes fiscal sense for ND to join a conference. At the end of the day, I think that money will talk. It may not come until 2025, unless there is some bargain buy-out option from ND's side.

I don't think any of those other teams adds incremental value to the ACC right now. I prefer the ACC wait on ND and offer them the option to choose who #16 is.

Who knows really, it's not like any of this stuff is well planned. At some point there will be another frantic, inadequately-considered round of conference moves.

However, if anyone will make a decision that leaves money on the table to preserve their sense of self, it will be ND. And if they ever do join a conference, it's as likely to be the B1G than the ACC (if not moreso).

Anyway, there's no zero reason for the ACC to consider adding second-tier programs. If down the road they can finagle adding Penn State or Texas then that's a financially sound move. West Virginia, Cincinnati, UCF... blech.

 

[gbo]

Awful academics. The ACC has a really good collective of schools from Boston College down to Miami.

This is a copout. Louisville has terrible academics and they are a member. West Virginia should absolutely be in the ACC.

 

[Hoo's That]

From what I can tell from reading the tea leaves on the hard-core ND board, they'd get antsy if they had a team that should be in the playoff but gets cut out because of a conference champion. If it happens twice, then they'd bite the bullet and join a conference. Under their contract with the ACC, we have first rights to having them join a conference until at least 2025 and maybe 2036 because of the recent extension w/ESPN for the ACC Network. Also the older alums seem to be the strongest Independistas. Some feel as they fade away, there will be less resistance to joing a conference for football.

That leads to the discussion of #16. I think #16 should be whomever ND wants, and I think it will be Navy. I would go with a hybrid membership for Navy and G'Town. Navy for football and G'Town for everything else because Navy struggles to keep up in the Patriot League sports and G'Town plays D-1AA football. We'd proably go to the pod system that Alsacs was one of the drivers of previously. You play everyone in your pod (3 games), everyone on your horizontal line (3 games), and one other pod (3 games). The pods rotate after a home-and-home as do the "divisions". The NCAA requires that only the division champs can play in the conference championship game, but it doesn't specify how long the divisions' membership has to be set. So you can have Pods A & B as one divison, C & D as the other and 2 years later it's A & D and B &C.

 

[TexanMark]

The hybrid is good too.

I'd throw it at Georgetown and Nova and maybe SJU

Let the bidding begin to fill a slot

 

[cuse10]

This is a copout. Louisville has terrible academics and they are a member. West Virginia should absolutely be in the ACC.

Louisville's academics aren't great, but they are a top 50 TV market. West Virginia isn't in the top 100 in the United States.

 

[Hoo's That]

The hybrid is good too.

I'd throw it at Georgetown and Nova and maybe SJU

Let the bidding begin to fill a slot

I think Nova would be a good choice, too! They're pretty strong in Olympic Sports beyond just bball.