POLL: What Old BE Team Should Join The ACC?

[TexanMark]

I think Nova would be a good choise, too! They're pretty strong in Olympic Sports beyond just bball.

And really coming on in Academics

 

[Chip]

I can't see any scenario where ND joins a conference. I agree that the ACC will need to go to a 9 game conference schedule. But I suspect that will simply involve playing an extra cross-division game.

The economics aren't there to add any non-ND teams that aren't already in a P5 conference (e.g. Texas).

I think the only scenario is if the playoff forms some rule that you have to be a full time member of a conference playing 8 conference games.

I don't think that will ever happen, but if it did, would ND take independence over never being in the playoff?

They will always be on national TV. Always. If NBC moved on, someone else would move in.

 

[Scooch]

I think the only scenario is if the playoff forms some rule that you have to be a full time member of a conference playing 8 conference games.

I don't think that will ever happen, but if it did, would ND take independence over never being in the playoff?

They will always be on national TV. Always. If NBC moved on, someone else would move in.

Agreed.

And also agree that I don't see any rules being made to force them into a conference. It's much more likely the field expands from 4 to 8, then it won't matter because there will be multiple at-large bids.

 

[Chip]

Agreed.

And also agree that I don't see any rules being made to force them into a conference. It's much more likely the field expands from 4 to 8, then it won't matter because there will be multiple at-large bids.

Yep, playoff is going to be more inclusive, not exclusive. If it goes to 8, the G5 will have a seat at the table if they meet certain standards (standards that UCF would have clearly met last year).

 

[Pyle]

Temple....because somebody had to say it.

 

[Trueblue25]

Louisville's academics aren't great, but they are a top 50 TV market. West Virginia isn't in the top 100 in the United States.

Probably because half the states in town or at the stadium for game day

 

[SWC75]

Can we get Maryland back from the Big Ten?

 

[elimunelson]

I feel like the big question going forward isn't adding teams but creating divisions (or eliminating them entirely) that make much more geographical sense. We need to figure out a way to play our peers more often and not be a sacrificial lamb for the ACC and their heavyweights. It's illogical how they gerrymandered these divisions.

Of course we begged to get into this conference so i doubt we have 0% leverage to do anything

 

[SmilinBob]

Navy as well if and only if that gets ND full time. If not, West Virginny. Cincy would be nice to help Louisville have a "natural" rival and another shot across the bow of the Big 10/11/12/14.

 

[Scooch]

I'll be a broken record in this thread, but the only reason a conference will expand is to grow their revenue. That comes from either from enlarging their cable network footprint or adding value to their national TV deal.

West Virginia, Cincinnati, etc. won't help meaningfully on either front. In fact some of the schools you guys are proposing might be net negatives from a financial standpoint.

As elimunelson said, I'd prefer the focus be on cleaning up the divisions and making sure we play nearly half the conference more than once every 6 years.

 

[Hoo's That]

Can we get Maryland back from the Big Ten?

Hush your mouth! Oh Lord Everyone finally gets their cars repainted and puts away their body armor and you want them back?

 

[WickedOrange]

No adds, but can the ACC trade NC State for Vanderbilt?

 

[SWC75]

Hush your mouth! Oh Lord Everyone finally gets their cars repainted and puts away their body armor and you want them back?

My retro dream is that the "Big East" gets formed back in the 50's With Army, Navy, BC, Syracuse, Penn State, Pittsburgh, West Virginia and Notre Dame. Then around 1980 we add three teams from among Connecticut, Rutgers, Temple Cincinnati and Louisville to go to 12 with two divisions. The conference would contain all out natural rivals and represent our area of the country, which were the priorities back then, (now it's about uniting TV markets that are often far away). I think it would have been great and that's where we'd be today. Let the ACC have everything south of the Mason-Dixon line and not in the SEC.

 

[SWC75]

I'll be a broken record in this thread, but the only reason a conference will expand is to grow their revenue. That comes from either from enlarging their cable network footprint or adding value to their national TV deal.

West Virginia, Cincinnati, etc. won't help meaningfully on either front. In fact some of the schools you guys are proposing might be net negatives from a financial standpoint.

As elimunelson said, I'd prefer the focus be on cleaning up the divisions and making sure we play nearly half the conference more than once every 6 years.

My annual suggestion: change the alignment every year, based on the previous year's results. Rank the schools from 1-14, (Sagarin?) and have an 'odd' conference with #1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11 and 13 and an 'even' conference with #2, 4, 6, 8, 10, 12 and 14. You play everyone in your division and two teams from the other division, one by mutual choice to keep annual rivalries going and one against the team you haven't played in the longest time. it would sure be better than what we have now.

 

[anomander]

ND and WVU or stand pat. Adding 2 high quality football programs like that will further solidify the ACC and help keep FSU and Clemson from even thinking of ever leaving

 

[cuse10]

Probably because half the states in town or at the stadium for game day

What does that have to do with what I said? Morganstown is in the Pittsburgh market due to its proximity. Overall, WV has a very poor drawing power.

 

[Chip]

The 5 people who voted for UConn should have to declare it publicly.

It's just such a bad idea, I just can't even imagine how someone could find themselves even clicking it in a meaningless board poll.

 

[CuseCactus]

The 5 people who voted for UConn should have to declare it publicly.

It's just such a bad idea, I just can't even imagine how someone could find themselves even clicking it in a meaningless board poll.

:rolling:

 

[CuseCactus]

I'm gonna get slammed for this..... Buttgers should be considered - in the unlikely event they sour on the Big 10 (or the Big 10 sours on them).

 

[Scooch]

When it comes to expansion the only conference commissioner I really respect is Larry Scott. Because he's the only one who tried to go big, trying to nab Texas and Oklahoma, destroy the Big 12, and establish the Pac-16 as the only conference that would matter west of the Mississippi.

Everyone else attempted half-measures and margin-nibbling.

I said this at the time, so this isn't 20/20 hindsight, but I thought the ACC should have gone big in the late 2000s/early 2010s and locked up the east coast as much as possible. That was when the cable TV industry was a lot more healthy and network distribution would have been an easier sell.

I'm not sure Penn State was ever really in play back then, but even without them they should have added Syracuse, UConn, Rutgers and Pitt. That would have given the ACC a footprint across every major east coast market (save for one): Boston, Hartford/New Haven, NYC, upstate NY, Baltimore, DC along with VA, NC, Atlanta and Miami. Launch a network 7-8 years ago against that footprint and they would've made a lot of money.

Oh well.

 

[OHIORANGES]

Since I live in Cincinnati, it’s got to be Cincy!

 

[Hoo's That]

When it comes to expansion the only conference commissioner I really respect is Larry Scott. Because he's the only one who tried to go big, trying to nab Texas and Oklahoma, destroy the Big 12, and establish the Pac-16 as the only conference that would matter west of the Mississippi.

Everyone else attempted half-measures and margin-nibbling.

I said this at the time, so this isn't 20/20 hindsight, but I thought the ACC should have gone big in the late 2000s/early 2010s and locked up the east coast as much as possible. That was when the cable TV industry was a lot more healthy and network distribution would have been an easier sell.

I'm not sure Penn State was ever really in play back then, but even without them they should have added Syracuse, UConn, Rutgers and Pitt. That would have given the ACC a footprint across every major east coast market (save for one): Boston, Hartford/New Haven, NYC, upstate NY, Baltimore, DC along with VA, NC, Atlanta and Miami. Launch a network 7-8 years ago against that footprint and they would've made a lot of money.

Oh well.

"The story is" - Penn State was getting antsy and the B1G specifically went after Maryland and Rutgers to give them nearby teams. If the B1G hadn't expanded PSU would have been open to offers.

I would not in any way, shape, or form vouch for the validity of that story, but that what was being said at the time.

 

[CuseCactus]

"The story is" - Penn State was getting antsy and the B1G specifically went after Maryland and Rutgers to give them nearby teams. If the B1G hadn't expanded PSU would have been open to offers.

I would not in any way, shape, or form vouch for the validity of that story, but that what was being said at the time.

I actually worry (slightly) that UVA will bolt to the Big 10 down the road. Adding Louisville did nothing for the conference academic profile. As much as I dislike the Big 10 - it does have a lot of quality schools.

 

[Hoo's That]

I actually worry (slightly) that UVA will bolt to the Big 10 down the road. Adding Louisville did nothing for the conference academic profile. As much as I dislike the Big 10 - it does have a lot of quality schools.

The rumor was the B1G was going to take us, UNC and maybe Ga Tech. I don't think any of the fans from those schools was looking forward to playing in Madison or Minneapolis in November. It's one thing to have either of your basketball teams play in Iowa City some year in the Challenge and it's quite another to have to send your field hockey team to Iowa City every other year. Louisville was added strictly to keep Clemson and $U from bolting. No one had a problem with that. AMOF, Louisville is using its membership as a means to get money from the state raise its academics, just like $U did.

We said this a lot back then. Neither UVa nor UNC would do anything to cause the ACC to break up, but we would have a soft landing. If we had to leave, I wanted us to go to the SEC.

 

[CousCuse]

New England is the only region of the country that a P5 conference doesn't have locked down. Yes, the ACC has BC, but they don't have any fans outside of a few alumni that don't root for ND. The choice is obvious, but I won't say it or someone's head might explode. Someone who's name rhymes with hootch.