Predictions for CFP Seeding...
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Agreed. Clemson and FSU can't dominate the ACC so how will they fare in the SEC?
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I will be routing for JMU too but the game is likely to be over in the first Q. They are like a good FCS team going on the ROAD across country.
There is zero comparison to 2006 Boise who was playing an unmotivated team at a neutral site.
Also that Boise team beat a decent Utah team (8-5) on the road and beat two other teams that ended the year ranked besides Oklahoma. JMU doesn’t even have a Top 40 W this year.
If Cinderellas had to play road games in the NCAAs they wouldn’t win either.
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ACC can’t get out of its own way. How Duke ended up in the champ game is hilarious. Fix that nonsense.
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The ACC scheduling just doesn’t make sense and why you are seeing 7-5 teams in championship games
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It’s the tiebreakers as well.
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This is the best summary i have seen of Miami vs. Alabama with Miami bumping Bama (from the Athletic newsletter):
- Both teams have 10 wins, but Alabama has an infinitely worse loss than either of Miami’s. The Hurricanes lost two close games to eight-win SMU and Louisville. Bama has losses to Playoff teams Georgia and Oklahoma, but also got run out of the building in Week 1 against a Florida State team that finished 5-7. The committee says common opponent results matter among closely ranked teams. Do you know who beat the Noles in Tallahassee rather than losing to them by two touchdowns? Miami.
- Yes, you can penalize teams for lopsided conference championship losses. Bama coach Kalen DeBoer doesn’t think Saturday’s loss should apply to Bama’s resume “at all.” But BYU, which started the day ranked No. 11, will likely fall after getting drummed for a second time by No. 4 Texas Tech. A few blowout title-game losers fell on Selection Sunday earlier in the Playoff era, too, albeit from outside the top four. Can’t an SEC team also be penalized for a sufficiently ugly title game?
- Bama’s best win isn’t much better than Miami’s best win. Not in totality, anyway. The Tide’s three-point win over Georgia back in Week 5 was tremendous, but it was only a bit better than Miami’s win over No. 10 Notre Dame by the same margin in Week 1. Unlike Bama, Miami didn’t then lose badly to the victim of its own best W.
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It's typical ACC, playing yesterday's game.
With a 12-team playoff, and the riches that come with it, the ONLY tiebreaker should be that highest-CFP ranking gets in.
Hell, they probably should ditch the conference W/L record as well and just pair the two highest CFP ranked teams. But that may shatter their precious illusion that wins and losses mean something, when the reality is that this sport is entirely about cold hard cash.
Either way, we can always count on the ACC to have the foresight of a blind mole.
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But you know they will
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The biggest question the committee has to consider is -- do they DARE leave Alabama out. They should and put in ND and Miami instead. But the fury and the fall out from Sankey and the SEC might be so loud as to question the future of the CPF committee itself. If the committee members care (apparently they don't get paid for doing it). If 'Bama is left out they'll find a way to revamp the committee and only have SEC and B1G members on it in the future.
it comes down to who is the best of the 5 conf and Duke is better than JMU.,
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No way
Why?
Since they will be compared h2h its pretty easy.
Its not even close in the metrics
much like ND is better than Miami and Ala
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Leave and still lose? Or just leave to be guaranteed playoff revenue sharing but home watching like the rest of us?
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And lost to a team with a losing record, worse loss of anyone right?
Tangentially related side thought: I'd put Miami in the CFP, but I don't think they will (follow Heather Dinich, who has the greatest access to the "committee").
But the ACC losing out on the bid can be the best thing that happens. So many schools need to buckle up and get serious, SU included (and I would argue that we are now, but about 15 years too late).
But the ACC losing out on the bid can be the best thing that happens. So many schools need to buckle up and get serious, SU included (and I would argue that we are now, but about 15 years too late).
- Dabo needs to get his crap together
- FSU the same (but it is a way steeper climb). Arguably steeper than anyone in the conference
- Wake needs to invest (and not revel in going cheap on the HC and having a strong seasons)
- Virginia needs to realize that this team was more flukish than foundational
- BC said some good things last week, but I'll believe it when I see it
- NCSU needs to rip the band aid off and ditch Doren. Everyone knows, the band aid won't hurt.
- UNC needs to make sure the Belichick misfire does not become a second Belichick misfire (aka his son)
- Georgia Tech needs to realize Haynes King was about 85% of their offense. And now what?
- Stanford needs to spend for A.Luck and remember that they were recently a consistent Top 15 power
- Cal is gonna try with Rivera as GM, but I am not sure what makes them think that'll work
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That's literally not what it comes down to. It comes down to ranking, and no one is going to rank Duke higher than JMU or Tulane. No. One.
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Miami and Georgia Tech were the two best teams all year. It's a shame one of those two teams isn't representing the ACC in the playoff.
I mean Georgia Tech played Georgia WAY tougher than Bama did in the same stadium 7 days prior.
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The ACC is loaded with schools who aren't comfortable with the current state of college football (not that I necessarily blame them) and act accordingly.
It's full of schools that are more comfortable rationalizing why they can't be great than expending the resources necessary to be great (and SU is still in this category, despite Fran's braggadocio).
A conference that has very few football-culture schools, compared to the SEC, B1G and B12 where almost every one is a football-culture school.
I mean, that the ACC ended up with Cal, Stanford and SMU after the breakup of the Pac-12 is all we need to know about how the conference sees itself, and how others see the conference.
the reason for Miami not getting in over ND is because they care not being compared H2H. If they were 9-10 in the CFP then they are compared H2H and Miami could jump them.
the same for comparing the last 2 Conf champs. If they compare them H2H then Duke would come out ahead. if they only compare them where they stand in the mythical CFP rankings and they don't rank Duke at all then sure JMU gets in. Why anyone would think JMU is a top 25 team though? Other than a good record they have done nothing to earn a ranking.
Using some metrics like FPI which has GT 42 and Duke 46. Virg 72 but it has JMU 28. but it has FSU 33. Its just so flawed
would you take JMU + 7 vs GT? or more?
Which ACC team would JMU be favored over at this point? SU maybe UNC.
the same for comparing the last 2 Conf champs. If they compare them H2H then Duke would come out ahead. if they only compare them where they stand in the mythical CFP rankings and they don't rank Duke at all then sure JMU gets in. Why anyone would think JMU is a top 25 team though? Other than a good record they have done nothing to earn a ranking.
Using some metrics like FPI which has GT 42 and Duke 46. Virg 72 but it has JMU 28. but it has FSU 33. Its just so flawed
would you take JMU + 7 vs GT? or more?
Which ACC team would JMU be favored over at this point? SU maybe UNC.
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If ND played Miami now instead of the first week I think ND wins. Miami out. Besides their coach is a block head
Duke lost to uCant. No way no how.
Alabama lost to FSU. Too bad Tide. They’ll still get in though thanks to sec homerism
JMU and Tulane at least bring some Cinderella like teams that could add some March madness to football instead of the same 4-6 teams.
Indiana vs Georgia is the game
Duke lost to uCant. No way no how.
Alabama lost to FSU. Too bad Tide. They’ll still get in though thanks to sec homerism
JMU and Tulane at least bring some Cinderella like teams that could add some March madness to football instead of the same 4-6 teams.
Indiana vs Georgia is the game
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Dukes defense is almost as terrible as ours.
They have 5 loses.
The only thing better that Duke has is QB.
JMU would run for 300 vs them. Which Virginia should have but for some reason they didn’t start running until the 2nd half.
Duke should have been the 2nd best team in the ACC.
I would take JMU head to head all day.
