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Message: [QUOTE="M2MPrinciples, post: 4398257, member: 928"] I guess that’s where we disagree; I don’t view 8-12 seeds and three missed tournaments (four if you think we weren’t gonna make it in 2020 had the tournament been played) since the move to the ACC as “killing it.” There’s nothing wrong with being happy with those results - be a fan in the way that works for you - but I don’t think it’s crazy to believe SU should consistently sit somewhere between Duke-UNC and where we’ve been since 2014. [/QUOTE]