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Message: [QUOTE="billsin01, post: 267222, member: 837"] Anyone who wants to deny that, as an aggregate, the things Rutgers has done (scheduling pansies, making videos, buying a helicopter, making outlandish national championship aspirations public, FAMILY ...) has absolutely pushed them past SU and a bunch of other schools in the eyes of recruits -- i.e. the people that matter the most for all intents and purposes. They were borderline top 25 in recruiting this even though they should have three losses in a row to us. So while I agree that much marketing stuff is swing and miss philosophy, the fact that RU has made all those efforts has certainly paid off in meaningful fashion. So do we need to win more? Absolutely, no question. But positioning this program as a dynamic, cool, up-and-comer is absolutely important on some level. We don't do this. [/QUOTE]