QB stats

[upperdeck]

going back to 1980

only
graves 92
mcnabb 98
RJ 2003
Nassib 2011/2012 threw for more yds in the first 2 games of a season

different times, but also much hard competition for most of the QB. road games and losing all game

and no one has thrown for that many in first 2 games of career, perhaps ever at SU..

 

[orangeinjersey]

werent we primarily option run offense those years? Same reason Nassib and Paulus broke passing records right?

 

[Millhouse]

going back to 1980

only
graves 92
mcnabb 98
RJ 2003
Nassib 2011/2012 threw for more yds in the first 2 games of a season

different times, but also much hard competition for most of the QB. road games and losing all game

and no one has thrown for that many in first 2 games of career, perhaps ever at SU..

this is why QB rating matters. not perfect but way better than comparing yards when one guy throws twice as much

 

[CuseDude]

going back to 1980

only
graves 92
mcnabb 98
RJ 2003
Nassib 2011/2012 threw for more yds in the first 2 games of a season

different times, but also much hard competition for most of the QB. road games and losing all game

and no one has thrown for that many in first 2 games of career, perhaps ever at SU..

Allen is also the only QB in the country to throw 6 INT's through two games. SDSU and Southern Miss each have 6 picks but one was thrown by their backup quarterbacks. SU is #1 in INT's thrown this year. Need all the stats to tell the picture.

 

[orangenirvana]

Allen is also the only QB in the country to throw 6 INT's through two games. SDSU and Southern Miss each have 6 picks but one was thrown by their backup quarterbacks. SU is #1 in INT's thrown this year. Need all the stats to tell the picture.

Ouch.

 

[BORZAK]

Coach thinks he is the man, and your resume is what?

 

[CuseDude]

Coach thinks he is the man, and your resume is what?[/quote

I love Upper's endless optimism, I was just giving additional stats.

 

[upperdeck]

Int's are not always a big deal.. I dont think we lost NW because of them.. I do think we might win the PSU game without them.

 

[RF2044]

Int's are not always a big deal.. I dont think we lost NW because of them.. I do think we might win the PSU game without them.

Maybe not, but the INTs were converted by NW into touchdowns afterward that put the game out of reach. In particular, the one at the end of the first half.

 

[Pyle]

Coach thinks he is the man, and your resume is what?

I hate this argument. P thought Joe Fields was the man, Gerg thought Arob and Dantley were the man. Marrone thought ARob was a TE and not a very good one. Just because one has a better resume to be a coach than a fan doesn't make him right.

 

[Pyle]

Maybe not, but the INTs were converted by NW into touchdowns afterward that put the game out of reach. In particular, the one at the end of the first half.

Game was over before it started. We had no defensive game plan. Our DC was schooled. NW probably could have hung 60+ on us but realized we had 0 offense and the game was over by halftime so let off the gas.

 

[rosconey]

northwestern sent the staff home at halftime and let the fans run the team-

we lost the game at the whistle because our program was as unprepared as the french in 1940- same thing the week before in the joisey swamps-

how can they not see his low level release ? or his laser lock on his reciever from the instant the play is called- i swear he twitters the next play before he gets to the line

 

[OrangePA]

Int's are not always a big deal.. I dont think we lost NW because of them.. I do think we might win the PSU game without them.

You're kidding, right?

Suppose the Orange scores three TDs instead of giving the ball back to NW?

You don't think that changes the game a bit?

 

[Chip]

You're kidding, right?

Suppose the Orange scores three TDs and does not give the ball back to NW?

You don't think that changes the game a bit?

Yeah, that comment was out there. NW scored 10 points in the 2nd quarter off the two picks. 1 TD off one of the 4th quarter picks.

Maybe he's figuring the game is over by the time we threw the two 4th quarter picks, but still...

And yes, INTs withstanding, we need to play a lot better defensively. But one of things you do to compete in a game where you're not playing well defensively is to play well offensively. INTs don't contribute to that plan.

It's something we need to get under control, and soon.

 

[JoeSU]

Allen is also the only QB in the country to throw 6 INT's through two games. SDSU and Southern Miss each have 6 picks but one was thrown by their backup quarterbacks. SU is #1 in INT's thrown this year. Need all the stats to tell the picture.

Wasn't this the rap on him coming out of fall camp? Stronger arm, (able to stretch the field) but more prone to picks?
If we are hoping to win games by relying on our defense to keep the score close, we need to limit turnovers and help ourselves with ST play.

 

[upperdeck]

I dont think we were scoring more than one more TD in the first half whether we made picks or not.. I also think Allen has by far the higher upside if passing is what this team wants to do.. The coaches must think so as well since they chose him 3 weeks ago to be the starter.. We lost the game because the D sucked not because Allen threw 4 picks.

 

[Crusty]

And what about interceptions - does Allen have that record?

 

[OrangePA]

I dont think we were scoring more than one more TD in the first half whether we made picks or not.. I also think Allen has by far the higher upside if passing is what this team wants to do.. The coaches must think so as well since they chose him 3 weeks ago to be the starter.. We lost the game because the D sucked not because Allen threw 4 picks.

The game is about turnovers.

When the offense turns the ball over repeatedly you will lose.

NW scored off nearly each TO - it was a huge factor.

A QB who throws INTs at the rate we are seeing cannot win games.

 

[OrangePA]

werent we primarily option run offense those years? Same reason Nassib and Paulus broke passing records right?

It was a "Pro-option" with a goal of 200 yards rushing and 200 yards passing with 25 attempts per game.

 

[CuseOnly]

I dont think we were scoring more than one more TD in the first half whether we made picks or not.. I also think Allen has by far the higher upside if passing is what this team wants to do.. The coaches must think so as well since they chose him 3 weeks ago to be the starter.. We lost the game because the D sucked not because Allen threw 4 picks.

Just a question...IF your known strengths are at RB and tight end with Beckett, why are you trying to throw the ball as you primary method of moving the chains?

Put in Hunt b/c he is a threat to run and the defense will have to game plan for that and account for him. Also because I think the team has his back and according to Spring ball and pre-season camp doesn't throw interceptions or get batted balls.

I would much rather have a QB that makes good decisions and doesn't lose the game than one that throws it away with his "big arm".

 

[SWC75]

A passer's bottom-line numbers are TDs and interceptions. And there's no spinning 1TD and 6 picks.

 

[DNABB5]

going back to 1980

only
graves 92
mcnabb 98
RJ 2003
Nassib 2011/2012 threw for more yds in the first 2 games of a season

different times, but also much hard competition for most of the QB. road games and losing all game

and no one has thrown for that many in first 2 games of career, perhaps ever at SU..

Many have mentioned the difference in style of offense and IIRC Syracuse had a PERFECT record with over 50 wins in games where the QB attempted 20 or less passes.

 

[CuseOnly]

I dont think we were scoring more than one more TD in the first half whether we made picks or not.. I also think Allen has by far the higher upside if passing is what this team wants to do.. The coaches must think so as well since they chose him 3 weeks ago to be the starter.. We lost the game because the D sucked not because Allen threw 4 picks.

If we weren't going to score more than 1 touchdown, then don't turn the ball over and give them extra opportunities to score more against you. Pretty simple.

 

[Millhouse]

It was a "Pro-option" with a goal of 200 yards rushing and 200 yards passing with 25 attempts per game.

This isn't a criticism of that goal at the time, I promise. Just got me thinking about how much the game has changed

In 1992, 400 ypg would make you 29th in the country in total offense. That's just yards, passing yards are riskier, i get that (rather have 200 r/200 p than 0 r/400 p)

In 2002, this would still put you in the same ballpark (30th)

In 2012, 400 ypg would be 60th best. quite a drop

last year 19 teams accomplished 200/200 so that's still a reasonable goal

15 teams get 250 passing, 200 rushing

4 get 300 passing 200 rushing

of those 4 the low passing number is 315, the low rushing number is 215

crazy

back in the day, there wasn't a big trade off. if you get 200 and 200 you're balanced and you're near the top in yards anyway

now, if you have that 200/200 balance, half the teams are outgaining you.

just interesting to me how much everything's changed

 

[SUFan44]

This isn't a criticism of that goal at the time, I promise. Just got me thinking about how much the game has changed

In 1992, 400 ypg would make you 29th in the country in total offense. That's just yards, passing yards are riskier, i get that (rather have 200 r/200 p than 0 r/400 p)

In 2002, this would still put you in the same ballpark (30th)

In 2012, 400 ypg would be 60th best. quite a drop

last year 19 teams accomplished 200/200 so that's still a reasonable goal

15 teams get 250 passing, 200 rushing

4 get 300 passing 200 rushing

of those 4 the low passing number is 315, the low rushing number is 215

crazy

back in the day, there wasn't a big trade off. if you get 200 and 200 you're balanced and you're near the top in yards anyway

now, if you have that 200/200 balance, half the teams are outgaining you.

just interesting to me how much everything's changed

Which makes me even more speculative of our current defensive-minded head coach.

Love him as the head of the program, like him enough as the defensive mastermind. But he either A) needs to change HIS thought process on the offensive side of the ball, B) make sure the new OC has all the necessary freedoms to create a dynamic offense, or C) make damn-well sure we have the right guy calling the offensive plays.