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[SmilinBob]

I've said this many times and maybe I should put it down as my sig. I want an offense that can run or pass and depending on the defense they are playing to be able to exploit all weaknesses the defense has. One game may be 350+ yards passing and other 250+ rushing. The key to me is obviously execution but also the coaches recognizing the weakness and being able to take advantage of it.

Also, regarding these numbers sometimes it's also SOS. If you are playing 3 to 7 crap teams it may skew those numbers or a team that can't stop a pass and your strength is passing.

SSF44...SS has said repeatedly that he is going to let his coaches coach so the ball is in McDonalds field.

 

[OrangePA]

This isn't a criticism of that goal at the time, I promise. Just got me thinking about how much the game has changed

In 1992, 400 ypg would make you 29th in the country in total offense. That's just yards, passing yards are riskier, i get that (rather have 200 r/200 p than 0 r/400 p)

In 2002, this would still put you in the same ballpark (30th)

In 2012, 400 ypg would be 60th best. quite a drop

last year 19 teams accomplished 200/200 so that's still a reasonable goal

15 teams get 250 passing, 200 rushing

4 get 300 passing 200 rushing

of those 4 the low passing number is 315, the low rushing number is 215

crazy

back in the day, there wasn't a big trade off. if you get 200 and 200 you're balanced and you're near the top in yards anyway

now, if you have that 200/200 balance, half the teams are outgaining you.

just interesting to me how much everything's changed

True.

The game has changed.

Football - at least college football - was essentially a running game.

In the heyday of the Wishbone, teams like Oklahoma would rush for upwards of 400-500 yards per game.

That is, of course, no longer the case. It is a passing sport now - and I think that makes the game less interesting.

 

[SUFan44]

SSF44...SS has said repeatedly that he is going to let his coaches coach so the ball is in McDonalds field.

Then why, after game one, did he say that he needs to take the reigns off of his OC?

 

[SmilinBob]

Then why, after game one, did he say that he needs to take the reigns off of his OC?

Maybe game planning wise. You are correct he said that and to be honest I can't see SS getting too involved but you have a valid point.

 

[Millhouse]

True.

The game has changed.

Football - at least college football - was essentially a running game.

In the heyday of the Wishbone, teams like Oklahoma would rush for upwards of 400-500 yards per game.

That is, of course, no longer the case. It is a passing sport now - and I think that makes the game less interesting.

i think the NFL is a passing sport but i think college is more interesting now because you have teams doing it so many different ways.

 

[upperdeck]

This isn't a criticism of that goal at the time, I promise. Just got me thinking about how much the game has changed

In 1992, 400 ypg would make you 29th in the country in total offense. That's just yards, passing yards are riskier, i get that (rather have 200 r/200 p than 0 r/400 p)

In 2002, this would still put you in the same ballpark (30th)

In 2012, 400 ypg would be 60th best. quite a drop

last year 19 teams accomplished 200/200 so that's still a reasonable goal

15 teams get 250 passing, 200 rushing

4 get 300 passing 200 rushing

of those 4 the low passing number is 315, the low rushing number is 215

crazy

back in the day, there wasn't a big trade off. if you get 200 and 200 you're balanced and you're near the top in yards anyway

now, if you have that 200/200 balance, half the teams are outgaining you.

just interesting to me how much everything's changed

how many plays were getting run on 92 vs 02 vs 2012? passing plays are going to create more plays, more clock stops, but it also feels like it does it for both teams. the NW game we were getting blown out and yet the NW offense made it feel like had we scored the TD to get to 34-21 we were a stop away from being in the game. In the old days you never came back from 34-7 because the running game just took away the clock time. 200 yds rushing means you are winning the oline battle.. 200 passing and you feel like your QB is drew allen.

 

[SWC75]

True.

The game has changed.

Football - at least college football - was essentially a running game.

In the heyday of the Wishbone, teams like Oklahoma would rush for upwards of 400-500 yards per game.

That is, of course, no longer the case. It is a passing sport now - and I think that makes the game less interesting.

Ironic that BYU, which pioneered the passing offense, is running the football now.
http://espn.go.com/ncf/recap?id=332500252

 

[Millhouse]

how many plays were getting run on 92 vs 02 vs 2012? passing plays are going to create more plays, more clock stops, but it also feels like it does it for both teams. the NW game we were getting blown out and yet the NW offense made it feel like had we scored the TD to get to 34-21 we were a stop away from being in the game. In the old days you never came back from 34-7 because the running game just took away the clock time. 200 yds rushing means you are winning the oline battle.. 200 passing and you feel like your QB is drew allen.

yeah, that's a big part of it. i don't have good numbers going way back.

last year georgia and aTm had the same yards per play. aTm had 90 yards more per game.

we were 36th in per play offense last year, one spot behind michigan.

we outgained them by 93 ypg.

 

[bnoro]

Remember when Paulus threw 5 against USF? Allen was worse on Saturday.

 

[OrangePA]

Remember when Paulus threw 5 against USF? Allen was worse on Saturday.

I seem to recall that Paulus was victimized by a dominating USF DL that included Selvie and the then unknown Pierre-Paul who I'm pretty certain INT'd at least one pass at the line of scrimmage.

That was the only time that Paulus looked overmatched.

Otherwise, despite his weak arm, I thought he was a very solid QB - very savvy - very different than Allen in that respect.

 

[OrangePA]

i think the NFL is a passing sport but i think college is more interesting now because you have teams doing it so many different ways.

The NFL is clearly a passing sport.

And yes, there are some teams that still run the ball in college - Navy, Ga Tech.

And yes, I agree that college is more interesting than pro these days.

 

[Chip]

The NFL is clearly a passing sport.

And yes, there are some teams that still run the ball in college - Navy, Ga Tech.

And yes, I agree that college is more interesting than pro these days.

Throw Oregon in there, they always run for more than they pass. #3 in rush yards per game last year, #2 so far this year. It doesn't always seem that way because there's no grinding to their running game. It's a spread field and a guy that's faster than everyone else running in the open spaces for giant chunks of yardage.

 

[Millhouse]

Throw Oregon in there, they always run for more than they pass. #3 in rush yards per game last year, #2 so far this year. It doesn't always seem that way because there's no grinding to their running game. It's a spread field and a guy that's faster than everyone else running in the open spaces for giant chunks of yardage.

alot of what counts as passing yardage isn't much different than the old option pitches (aside from the big benefit not being fumbles when they hit the ground)

rob spence ruined the bubble screen for us because he missed the point of it entirely as just being something you take when it's there but there are thousands of yards of passing that aren't really forward passes the way we used to think about them

 

[SoBeCuse]

I seem to recall that Paulus was victimized by a dominating USF DL that included Selvie and the then unknown Pierre-Paul who I'm pretty certain INT'd at least one pass at the line of scrimmage.

That was the only time that Paulus looked overmatched.

Otherwise, despite his weak arm, I thought he was a very solid QB - very savvy - very different than Allen in that respect.

Selvie! I knew I remembered him when watching DAL-NYG Sun night. Good player. Glad to see his career back on track.

 

[SWC75]

I seem to recall that Paulus was victimized by a dominating USF DL that included Selvie and the then unknown Pierre-Paul who I'm pretty certain INT'd at least one pass at the line of scrimmage.

That was the only time that Paulus looked overmatched.

Otherwise, despite his weak arm, I thought he was a very solid QB - very savvy - very different than Allen in that respect.

I hear a lot of people talking about Paulus as a "flop" and suggesting Allen is his second coming. I thought Paulus was very good. And if he'd committed himself to being a quarterback, he might might have been great. He was mobile, saw the whole field and could get a catchable ball to people, even if he couldn't throw it 50 yards, (how many passes go 50 yards in the air anyway?) He had that one bad turnover game vs. USF and then they stripped down the offense to avoid turnovers, (that's when we got all the bubble screens), and we got rid of most of the gains with them. Paulus was far better then Allen. If we'd had him for 4 years he would have been better than Nassib.

Anybody remember the standing ovation the offensive coaches got at halftime of the Minnesota game, when we finally seemed to have the wide-open offense everyone had been craving for years?